Don't rub Max Mosley up the wrong way
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carinaman said:
If he is spending his own money to enforce press regulation on us I am sure he'll be just as good and as fair minded as he was when he was the head honcho at the FIA.
Edited by Chrisgr31 on Saturday 16th April 08:09
Chrisgr31 said:
An article in the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3542734/A-... although where I see it refers to family trusts. I thought his parents maintained they were off limited means.
I was there at the political rally when Mosley was arrested. My recollections differ from his and by some margin.Edited by Chrisgr31 on Saturday 16th April 08:09
When a couple of friends came to my house on of them said something, which I missed but it must have been something racial, and my father, as was his way, would not lecture me but took me to the meeting.
It was quite horrific. There were loads of thugs there, rather like the skinheads of today's nutty right wing groups, but these were adults. They appeared massive to me. From where I was standing it was clear that it was they who started the fighting, kicking and pushing people to the ground.
We were with a crowd that seemed neutral - there was no calling out or chanting - but the mob came into us at a run. My dad dragged me out of the way and we cleared off home.
My father also showed me a newsletter, which stated it had been written by Mosley's mother. It was really quite vile.
That was Mosley in the later 50s/early 60s. The family was dysfunctional.
Mosely worked for the union movement, I think he saw it as a way to gain power, which seems to be the major fetish of his, even above thermometers.
All the Mosley children have disassociated themselves from their parent's (step mother for all but Maxey) political beliefs, but not our FIA ex-president.
His source of money is bewildering. The FIA presidency is unpaid, not even basic wages.
Quite apart from Mosley, the hacked-off mob are attacking the freedom of the press with some force. Those pushing the 'scandal' aspect of the present political kerfuffle is the mob that wants us not to know about them.
You'd think, wouldn't you, that the government would be grateful for the press exposing the few of their colleagues who were milking the allowances system, and so would be firm supporters of press freedoms.
The history of the British fascist movement is well worth researching - easy enough on Google - and reading about. There was, after the war, a backlash against Mosley once the horrors of the death camps were revealed, but prewar it was a wee bit different. We, quite rightly, criticise Germany for their actions but the mob mentality wasn't that far away for this country. Given the inept political leadership for the majority of the inter-war period, we were lucky to escape extremist politics.
epom said:
He was interviewed this evening on Irish Radio (Today FM) and I have to say he came across as funny, self depreciating and a very likeable guy. Spoke about lots of things. Changed my opinion of him anyway.
not unusual for some of the biggest sociopaths and megalomaniacs to really turn on the charm or present themselves as quite unassuming when it suits. Hitler himself was said to very charismatic in person.not that I'm saying spanky is one of the above though, okay haymarket;), but he does make me want to vomit. Although seeing the sad old fool still desperately trying to inflict some influence in lieu of any actual power is a fittingly tragic end
It seems we have one group of multi millionaires (Mosley and his chums) vs another group of multi millionaires (the newspaper owners) deciding what the future of press regulation should be.
The day of reckoning for the free press will soon be upon us. This Tuesday marks the end of the government’s consultation period on the regulation of newspapers. We’ve heard a lot of lofty arguments, all absolutely justified, about why national and local papers should not be bullied into joining the state-approved regulator, Impress, under threat of punitive legal costs for all those, including The Sunday Times, that refuse its cold embrace.
Non paywall link -------> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1qHYl0WgAAew8v.jpg:la...
The day of reckoning for the free press will soon be upon us. This Tuesday marks the end of the government’s consultation period on the regulation of newspapers. We’ve heard a lot of lofty arguments, all absolutely justified, about why national and local papers should not be bullied into joining the state-approved regulator, Impress, under threat of punitive legal costs for all those, including The Sunday Times, that refuse its cold embrace.
Non paywall link -------> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1qHYl0WgAAew8v.jpg:la...
Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 8th January 18:13
BlackLabel said:
The day of reckoning for the free press will soon be upon us. This Tuesday marks the end of the government’s consultation period on the regulation of newspapers. We’ve heard a lot of lofty arguments, all absolutely justified, about why national and local papers should not be bullied into joining the state-approved regulator, Impress, under threat of punitive legal costs for all those, including The Sunday Times, that refuse its cold embrace.
Non paywall link -------> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1qHYl0WgAAew8v.jpg:la...
Maybe, just maybe if the Press in this country actually did properly researched, unbiased, good quality work, they wouldn't be under threat from a fairly draconian set of laws. Non paywall link -------> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1qHYl0WgAAew8v.jpg:la...
TBH the standard of journalism in this country is shocking. Guardian (and Indy) is about as biased as you can. Mirror is just a hate rag. Mail and Express is just borderline made up. Sun is lowest denominator stuff about celebrities and too simplistic. Star is like The Sun but even more shallow and only cares about celebrity big brother etc etc etc
Probably part of the reason they are declining sales.
Rich_W said:
........(my editing)
TBH the standard of journalism in this country is shocking. Guardian (and Indy) is about as biased as you can. Mirror is just a hate rag. Mail and Express is just borderline made up. Sun is lowest denominator stuff about celebrities and too simplistic. Star is like The Sun but even more shallow and only cares about celebrity big brother etc etc etc
Probably part of the reason they are declining sales.
Given that extremely wide range of opinion-makers it seems we are well served! TBH the standard of journalism in this country is shocking. Guardian (and Indy) is about as biased as you can. Mirror is just a hate rag. Mail and Express is just borderline made up. Sun is lowest denominator stuff about celebrities and too simplistic. Star is like The Sun but even more shallow and only cares about celebrity big brother etc etc etc
Probably part of the reason they are declining sales.
Declining sales are not necessarily a function of popularity of different papers, more a consequence of alternative platforms and next generation of potential users.
Rich_W said:
Maybe, just maybe if the Press in this country actually did properly researched, unbiased, good quality work, they wouldn't be under threat from a fairly draconian set of laws.
TBH the standard of journalism in this country is shocking. Guardian (and Indy) is about as biased as you can. Mirror is just a hate rag. Mail and Express is just borderline made up. Sun is lowest denominator stuff about celebrities and too simplistic. Star is like The Sun but even more shallow and only cares about celebrity big brother etc etc etc
Probably part of the reason they are declining sales.
Is that the same press that broke the politicians' orgy of expenses? Is that the same press that broke the story of the hacking? The press has done some outstanding work, but with this law they won't ever again. Private Eye will be knackered. It is nothing more than an anti freedom of information act.TBH the standard of journalism in this country is shocking. Guardian (and Indy) is about as biased as you can. Mirror is just a hate rag. Mail and Express is just borderline made up. Sun is lowest denominator stuff about celebrities and too simplistic. Star is like The Sun but even more shallow and only cares about celebrity big brother etc etc etc
Probably part of the reason they are declining sales.
Mosely, who has mates all over Europe, pushed the 'right to privacy', i.e. the curtailing of information. Mosley started off his life the son of a fascist and a fascist. His mother produced propaganda, the most awful flyers. They would be illegal nowadays. He was part of the post war resurrection of the British Union of Fascists, something that is not that clear on the internet, perhaps right to privacy? The first act of any totalitarian state is to curb information available to the plebs.
Those who have attacked the freedom of the press are those who have the money to throw at the cause. They was their affairs kept out of sight of everyone else. If it ever gets in place it will be abused by those in authority.
You ask for the press to be unbiased. That's not only unlikely but impossible. There is no such thing as an unbiased source.
The odd thing is, and one thing that is not mentioned, is that laws exist for all the things that those who want to limit our access to information complain of.
Murdoch needs to have his grip on the press loosened. Ambitious MPs need his outlets' support. Johnson, Blair, Gove, Cameron, May and the rest meet with him regularly. Wasn't he the first non-politician to visit t~10 after Cameron nearly got in? May gives her first ftf interview on Sky News. Well, there's a surprise.
The papers are in this state because of the primacy of Murdoch's empire.
Snoopers and control of information: what a state this state is getting into.
rallycross said:
Mosley is self funding his crusade against press freedom, makes you wonder where he 'might have' got all that cash from ?
He is a barrister! He does have a lucrative career and he also wrote a book a while back. His family were wealthy. Without assuming complete innocence, if the papers could have found tax evasion he'd have been shown up before now.Derek.
That may be all true, but because the current press have been crap for 99% of the time that's what gets this sort of stuff brought to the fore. I haven't bought a newspaper in years, I only ever read the metro if I'm bored. And even then I realise it's just fluff.
They brought this on themselves by not doing the things they should have done. They got involved in s
te instead of sticking to the business of making good content.mybrainhurts said:
rallycross said:
Mosley is self funding his crusade against press freedom, makes you wonder where he 'might have' got all that cash from ?
Many have suggested in the past that Bernie Eccleston gave him a fortune.Mosley had a privileged background, mother being one of the Guinness heiresses, a Mitford girl. She was mates, if that's the word, with Hitler, as was a sister. A very strange family. Power might corrupt absolutely, but a fortune does it just as well and perhaps quicker. The family were also good mates with Franco, having tea with them no less after the war.
The pair were, in theory, interned in prison during the war because of their sympathies with the enemy of the country, the great friend of the family, uncle Adolf, the bloke who was guest of honour at their wedding. In one of those spooky government confusions, they were let out in 1943, the minister no doubt thinking the war was over.
The family history, if all the books haven't been pulled from the libraries around the country due to the right to have scandals suppressed, is well worth reading. My father, very anti fascist, was of the opinion that Mosley wasn't the evil one of the family, that dubious honour going to Diana, his mistress (although that included a lot of women) and then wife. He reckoned that Ozzy had only one thing on his mind, and that had more to do with another organ of his body.
My father took me to see a Union Movement rally. I'd said something, or something had happened, and following his normal MO, instead of telling me, he showed me. When I came home after taking some illicit substance, he took me on a tour of doorways in London around the all-night chemist that used to give out hard drugs on script. My father let me make up my own mind, and merely gave me info. I was put off abuse of drugs.
I was also put off politics, or at least the Mosley style. We walked in with a crowd of normal people and then were set upon by a group of fascist thugs. There were kicks and people being hit with sticks. My dad moved me away and then we escaped. It scared him as much as it scared me and the mob of nouveau blackshirts terrified me. My dad was more frightened of what my mum might say.
Not a very nice family.
The Sun have dug up a letter Mosley sent to the Times in which he called for an end to ‘coloured immigration'.
If you were an orgy-loving racist like Max Mosley was, you too would want to shackle the Press. Mosley has had a vendetta against the press since his infamous S&M orgy was exposed
If you were an orgy-loving racist like Max Mosley was, you too would want to shackle the Press. Mosley has had a vendetta against the press since his infamous S&M orgy was exposed
BlackLabel said:
The Sun have dug up a letter Mosley sent to the Times in which he called for an end to ‘coloured immigration'.
If you were an orgy-loving racist like Max Mosley was, you too would want to shackle the Press. Mosley has had a vendetta against the press since his infamous S&M orgy was exposed
Not just 'coloured immigration', nice reference to 'the Jew' in there as well.If you were an orgy-loving racist like Max Mosley was, you too would want to shackle the Press. Mosley has had a vendetta against the press since his infamous S&M orgy was exposed
Exactly the sort of person you'd expect to devote lots of time and money to getting revenge over their nasty little habits being exposed rather than what any sensible person would do and just keep quiet and let it fade from memory.
As it is Spanky will be taking his reputation to his grave with no hope of redemption. The obituaries should be fun.
Adam Boulton: “Are you still a fascist?”
Max Mosley: “No, I’m a member of the Labour Party.”
Adam Boulton: “Do you regret writing that you want to end coloured immigration.”
Max Mosley: “Well I would have phrased it differently".
https://order-order.com/2017/01/10/mosley-im-no-lo...
Max Mosley: “No, I’m a member of the Labour Party.”
Adam Boulton: “Do you regret writing that you want to end coloured immigration.”
Max Mosley: “Well I would have phrased it differently".
https://order-order.com/2017/01/10/mosley-im-no-lo...
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