Don't rub Max Mosley up the wrong way
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Jonesy23 said:
And his dad was a Labour MP. So hardly mutually exclusive concepts.
He'd have been better off keeping his head down rather than doing interviews.
There are many dark secrets that might well put paid to Mosley. His parents were the most objectionable of people, using wealth and influence to push their racists message. Ozzy ws a labour and conservative politician as well as being in charge of his own party and his own blackshirts. But we should not judge people by their relatives. We should judge Mosley on what he has done, and there's enough, ironically, black on him.He'd have been better off keeping his head down rather than doing interviews.
I think the heading should be: don't rub the press up the wrong way, Mosley. If he'd kept his head down and just pushed for more money then his past would be something that the press would have ignored. However, now that he's attacking them and trying to shut them up, he's got problems.
I think May might well be reluctant to nod through this awful bit of legislation. She needs, or at least thinks she need, Murdoch on her side. I'm sure his point of view would have been given to her. I think the recent favouring of Sky News for her first TV interview face to face gives us a hint that she won't follow through on the threat.
Mosley was on the Sunday Politics today where he was interviewed by Andrew Neil.
It starts at 04.55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_NGpbzi5qw
It starts at 04.55.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_NGpbzi5qw
You know I've just been googling, and bing, and a few others. It's quite incredible how he's managed to erase every picture relating to him and nazis or orgys. I mean, how can he do that?
How come no foreign websites are hosting the pics? Or is it just they are but we in the uk are censored from seeing them? It's like North Korea. He did that orgy, there are pics and video to prove it, yet it's impossible to see. He somehow wields some mighty power.
How come no foreign websites are hosting the pics? Or is it just they are but we in the uk are censored from seeing them? It's like North Korea. He did that orgy, there are pics and video to prove it, yet it's impossible to see. He somehow wields some mighty power.
CoolHands said:
You know I've just been googling, and bing, and a few others. It's quite incredible how he's managed to erase every picture relating to him and nazis or orgys. I mean, how can he do that?
How come no foreign websites are hosting the pics? Or is it just they are but we in the uk are censored from seeing them? It's like North Korea. He did that orgy, there are pics and video to prove it, yet it's impossible to see. He somehow wields some mighty power.
Using google's right to forget a lot thenHow come no foreign websites are hosting the pics? Or is it just they are but we in the uk are censored from seeing them? It's like North Korea. He did that orgy, there are pics and video to prove it, yet it's impossible to see. He somehow wields some mighty power.
cirian75 said:
Using google's right to forget a lot then
It is Google's right to doctor history.It's up to us to remember and keep on mentioning his habits. One wonders what would have happened to facts about him if this had come in years ago. Would his activities with the post war reincarnation of the British Union of Fascists, the Union Movement, - now that was quite obnoxious as well - have been eradicated? I seem to remember he was caught driving a van load of weapons to a demonstration, but try and find it on line. He also repeatedly hit a police officer, but searching is less than easy. In other words Mosely has reinvented himself, like some self-obsessed pop diva, by managing to limit our ability to research history.
Raygun said:
The offspring of Nazi's Oswald Mosley and Diana Mitford, let's face it he was always going to be a piece of s
t.
I come from a very politically aware family which took an active part in politics between the wars. A communist uncle of mine reckoned that Ozzy wasn't the worst of the pair. He thought that Mitford corrupted him. I think the brother of Maximillian, Ozzy2, actually stated that he did no support the beliefs of his parents and that fascism was wrong. We await, I believe, his brother's condemnation. Perhaps he already has but Google won't let us find it. t.Ozzy snr married his first wife, some suggested for social advancement and to get a chance of leading the tory party. It was quite a big even with the crown heads of Europe attending. When he married his second wife he had one A Hitler as honoured guest. Honoured in more ways than one by Di if historians are to be believed.
There were revelations in The Guardian a few years ago about Di's sister, another Mitford waste of space, who was one of Adolf's lovers. In the first few weeks of the war, she, it was suggested, shot herself in the head but missed her brain. This is believed not to have been impossible. Her injuries were unknown but it was suggested they were life threatening. She was flown back from Germany for emergency treatment, presumably the beds were blocked in local hospitals by old people, and the plane landed in East Anglia and she was rushed to, well you'd think the nearest hospital but no. The ambulance raced past a couple and stopped at a maternity hospital. As you do.
It, remarkably, is still available online.
Edited to add:
The first search of Max's history brought up this: https://order-order.com/2017/01/12/watch-max-mosle...
This is worse than I thought. I had visions of one punch.
Edited by Derek Smith on Monday 16th January 09:41
Reedited to add:
I was wrong on specifics about Unity Mitford and the head injury article. It was in The New Statesman, http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/martin-bright/20...
There was a TV programme on it evidently but I missed that.
Still can't find the details of Mosely's arrest for the van driving.
All this is the sort of stuff Mosley's movement will make much more difficult to discover.
Edited by Derek Smith on Monday 16th January 09:48
paulrockliffe said:
Derek, you should write a biography on the chap.
All I'd need is a publisher which had ample profit to cover being sued.The bloke has built an image, maybe even a self-image, that does not quite tally with what is known about him. Hiding facts and circumstances from internet searches won't stop the truth coming out. However, if this attack on the freedom of the press by those in hacked off does go through in its present form, exposing the truth behind facades with become more difficult. It's bad enough now with out civil courts.
I've got a bit under 4 meg of Word docs, with sources, on Mosley's time in the FIA, some, in fact most, sent to me by others who thought him a noose around the sport.
I was asked to write an article on Ecclestone. Nothing too deep or controversial. I stuck with newspaper reports in the main, and some info from motor sport magazines. I didn't use blogs but got a fair bit from online F1 fanzines. Sylt used to be an unending source of material. A chap on PH provided links and different sources of info.
Despite me including the references, the commissioning agent thought that it left his company open to civil action. The fact that it would be easily defended didn't matter. I deleted all references to Mosely and cut the article back to acknowledged circumstances but that wasn't enough.
So it will remain unpublished. And unpaid for I might add. I then reckoned I could publish it once the grim reaper had done his business, but then not only would there be no point, but others would spill the beans.
The story of the Unity Mitford baby is intriguing and one might, of course, wonder why she was not interviewed after she returned from her 'close liaison' with Addy. But, it seems, she was important and therefore she was allowed to wander around, indulge in all sort of sexual exploits, including with serving officers in the armed services despite there being something of a disagreement between the UK and the German boss. And all this whilst she was critically ill, close to death, and with a bullet in her brain.
One might wonder why, in 1940, she was taken to a maternity hospital when her life was in danger from such a serious wound.
These people, one way or another, are part of what we plebs call the establishment, but the word just isn’t descriptive enough.
The single word implies a mutually supportive group or echelon of like-minded people who will circle the wagons when one of their number is threatened with public ridicule which could threaten the group. In fact it is a non-fraternal mish-mash collection of people who have become beyond ordinary retribution and responsibility through wealth and the power it brings.
Such elevation allows insight and knowledge, often prejudicial, that is actually a tool for the preservation of the hierarchy. Far from a friendly collection of talented individuals and familiars it is a coven of threats of mutual destruction in the event of exposure. Fear is a far stronger motive than loyalty.
There have been plenty of examples of people wholly unsuitable for their exalted positions that defy all understanding of why they remain, continue to exert massive influence, and receive decoration and huge reward.
The single word implies a mutually supportive group or echelon of like-minded people who will circle the wagons when one of their number is threatened with public ridicule which could threaten the group. In fact it is a non-fraternal mish-mash collection of people who have become beyond ordinary retribution and responsibility through wealth and the power it brings.
Such elevation allows insight and knowledge, often prejudicial, that is actually a tool for the preservation of the hierarchy. Far from a friendly collection of talented individuals and familiars it is a coven of threats of mutual destruction in the event of exposure. Fear is a far stronger motive than loyalty.
There have been plenty of examples of people wholly unsuitable for their exalted positions that defy all understanding of why they remain, continue to exert massive influence, and receive decoration and huge reward.
Thorodin said:
These people, one way or another, are part of what we plebs call the establishment, but the word just isn’t descriptive enough.
The single word implies a mutually supportive group or echelon of like-minded people who will circle the wagons when one of their number is threatened with public ridicule which could threaten the group. In fact it is a non-fraternal mish-mash collection of people who have become beyond ordinary retribution and responsibility through wealth and the power it brings.
Such elevation allows insight and knowledge, often prejudicial, that is actually a tool for the preservation of the hierarchy. Far from a friendly collection of talented individuals and familiars it is a coven of threats of mutual destruction in the event of exposure. Fear is a far stronger motive than loyalty.
There have been plenty of examples of people wholly unsuitable for their exalted positions that defy all understanding of why they remain, continue to exert massive influence, and receive decoration and huge reward.
These titled people believe they are entitled. The single word implies a mutually supportive group or echelon of like-minded people who will circle the wagons when one of their number is threatened with public ridicule which could threaten the group. In fact it is a non-fraternal mish-mash collection of people who have become beyond ordinary retribution and responsibility through wealth and the power it brings.
Such elevation allows insight and knowledge, often prejudicial, that is actually a tool for the preservation of the hierarchy. Far from a friendly collection of talented individuals and familiars it is a coven of threats of mutual destruction in the event of exposure. Fear is a far stronger motive than loyalty.
There have been plenty of examples of people wholly unsuitable for their exalted positions that defy all understanding of why they remain, continue to exert massive influence, and receive decoration and huge reward.
cirian75 said:
CoolHands said:
You know I've just been googling, and bing, and a few others. It's quite incredible how he's managed to erase every picture relating to him and nazis or orgys. I mean, how can he do that?
How come no foreign websites are hosting the pics? Or is it just they are but we in the uk are censored from seeing them? It's like North Korea. He did that orgy, there are pics and video to prove it, yet it's impossible to see. He somehow wields some mighty power.
Using google's right to forget a lot thenHow come no foreign websites are hosting the pics? Or is it just they are but we in the uk are censored from seeing them? It's like North Korea. He did that orgy, there are pics and video to prove it, yet it's impossible to see. He somehow wields some mighty power.
Derek Smith said:
There was a TV programme on it evidently but I missed that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-lWnUBtMbUWonder what Max gets out of this arrangement?
"Tom Watson given £500k in donations by Max Mosley in past year
Register of MPs’ interests shows that former Formula One boss gave money to support Watson’s office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/22/t...
"Tom Watson given £500k in donations by Max Mosley in past year
Register of MPs’ interests shows that former Formula One boss gave money to support Watson’s office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/22/t...
I don't know what he gets from that but the likely intent isn't difficult to guess at.
Though if he was a bit more skilled at the game he'd have realised that almost all politicians can be influenced for a fraction of that, and it would have been much more effective putting it out as £50K to ten people than as a big lump. Or £25K to 20. Or whatever.
He's making progress with his plan against the press but his attempts are all a bit obvious and hamfisted.
Though if he was a bit more skilled at the game he'd have realised that almost all politicians can be influenced for a fraction of that, and it would have been much more effective putting it out as £50K to ten people than as a big lump. Or £25K to 20. Or whatever.
He's making progress with his plan against the press but his attempts are all a bit obvious and hamfisted.
BlackLabel said:
Wonder what Max gets out of this arrangement?
"Tom Watson given £500k in donations by Max Mosley in past year
Register of MPs’ interests shows that former Formula One boss gave money to support Watson’s office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/22/t...
Do you suspect Tom Watson is being palmed off?"Tom Watson given £500k in donations by Max Mosley in past year
Register of MPs’ interests shows that former Formula One boss gave money to support Watson’s office as deputy leader and shadow culture secretary"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/22/t...
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