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unpc said:
John145 said:
depends on the species you moron.
180000 blue tits, blackbirds, robins, house sparrows fair enough.
10,000 migrating geese can be a bit more severe when global populations are only in 7 figures.
Sensitive much? 180000 blue tits, blackbirds, robins, house sparrows fair enough.
10,000 migrating geese can be a bit more severe when global populations are only in 7 figures.
I don't think cats give a fk which species they eat. It'd be pretty unlucky for 10000 geese to fly in to a wind farm don't you think?
John145 said:
unpc said:
I worked in the wind energy business for a while and the fecking tree huggers were wringing their hands over a few dead birds so someone did a study and calculated that around 10000 birds get dissected by wind turbines in the UK each year. How awful, but to put that in perspective, 180000 are killed just in Denmark each year by domestic cats.
depends on the species you moron.180000 blue tits, blackbirds, robins, house sparrows fair enough.
10,000 migrating geese can be a bit more severe when global populations are only in 7 figures.
TLandCruiser said:
ATG said:
More to the point, who cares? Does it matter if a few birds go up in smoke? Don't think there's much evidence that birds get shredded by wind farms, but even if there was, do we really care?
Yes because it leads to consequences which can have a bad effect to the ecosystem, going by the figure thats quoted in the article means that 262,800 birds are roughly killed a year, those birds are not eating the insects in the area which then overwhelm and kill local crops for instance. I would hazard a guess that all of the different energy industries result in animals suffering, feathered or otherwise.
I don't mean oil slick accidents etc. but simply the mining, drilling, fracking operations.
Oh and I guess you can add boys with air guns to the list of bird killers.
I don't mean oil slick accidents etc. but simply the mining, drilling, fracking operations.
Oh and I guess you can add boys with air guns to the list of bird killers.
Rude-boy said:
Digga said:
Environmental 'quick fixes' are often the subject of some fairly limited thinking IMHO. Witness right now the apparent U-turn on diesel which is going to have widespread significance for many and very great cost, both on the way from petrol to derv and now again as the pendelum of legislation swings back.
Sorry have to pull you up on this one.On the face of it you are correct. However tell me that you didn't see this a mile away? Tell me that you were not seeing us discussing on this very forum how it will take a few years and then it will be 'OMG Diesel is bad, we must tax it more!' It's nothing to do with the planet, it's all to do with the tax take.
Those who think that the global governments of the day have any interest in the planet beyond what the individuals involved can get out of it in their lifetime are naïve to be polite.
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