US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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Benny Gantz, Head of Israeli Defence Force:
[i]“Every time that IS encounters an organized military force that is determined and cohesive, and not a disintegrating system, they fail,” Gantz said. “The reality surrounding us is very unstable, but we have a clear rejoinder to IS and if they took us on, they would fail. IS exploits the political and governmental vacuum in the environs in which it operates. They understood the US principle of ‘shock and awe.’ The Americans achieved this effect through a thousand Tomahawk missiles. The Islamic State achieves this via beheadings. They are trying to create new geopolitical lines on the basis of Islam as a governmental, not only religious, concept. They are dismantling everything that was outlined by two gentlemen, Sykes and Picot, long ago in the previous century. On the other hand, I think that this threat can be contained; it can be dealt with and it can be neutralized.”
Al-Monitor asked if this could be accomplished from the air alone, as the current operations are being conducted.
“I don’t think so,” he said. “It can’t be achieved only through an aerial assault. I heard what Gen. Martin Dempsey, the American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had to say and I understand his point. It makes no sense that America should also fight on the ground on behalf of the people threatened by IS. It makes more sense that those people organize the necessary ground forces themselves.”[/i]
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[i]“Every time that IS encounters an organized military force that is determined and cohesive, and not a disintegrating system, they fail,” Gantz said. “The reality surrounding us is very unstable, but we have a clear rejoinder to IS and if they took us on, they would fail. IS exploits the political and governmental vacuum in the environs in which it operates. They understood the US principle of ‘shock and awe.’ The Americans achieved this effect through a thousand Tomahawk missiles. The Islamic State achieves this via beheadings. They are trying to create new geopolitical lines on the basis of Islam as a governmental, not only religious, concept. They are dismantling everything that was outlined by two gentlemen, Sykes and Picot, long ago in the previous century. On the other hand, I think that this threat can be contained; it can be dealt with and it can be neutralized.”
Al-Monitor asked if this could be accomplished from the air alone, as the current operations are being conducted.
“I don’t think so,” he said. “It can’t be achieved only through an aerial assault. I heard what Gen. Martin Dempsey, the American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had to say and I understand his point. It makes no sense that America should also fight on the ground on behalf of the people threatened by IS. It makes more sense that those people organize the necessary ground forces themselves.”[/i]
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Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 22 October 18:28
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Cobnapint said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Cobnapint said:
Same sky-fairy.
But it's the same sky fairy as the Jews and Christians believe in. The sons of Abraham, and all that. The main difference is that, in the West, the Govt looks after its citizens. As such there is no need to pray to a mythical being to feed/clothe/look after you. You're also much less likely to believe the local Holy Man when he promises you eternal salvation if you'll just go and blow yourself up. There is a correlation between poverty/desperation and religion.
Countdown said:
It is, pretty much (word for word in some places).
The main difference is that, in the West, the Govt looks after its citizens. As such there is no need to pray to a mythical being to feed/clothe/look after you. You're also much less likely to believe the local Holy Man when he promises you eternal salvation if you'll just go and blow yourself up. There is a correlation between poverty/desperation and religion.
If its poverty over there why are people from here joining?The main difference is that, in the West, the Govt looks after its citizens. As such there is no need to pray to a mythical being to feed/clothe/look after you. You're also much less likely to believe the local Holy Man when he promises you eternal salvation if you'll just go and blow yourself up. There is a correlation between poverty/desperation and religion.
I don't recall orthadox christians from all over the world joining the Serbian army to fight 20 years ago. whats the difference if the religions are the same.
Are there verses in the bible that tell you to cut the necks of unbelievers?
jesus was all about forgiveness old mo murdered and enslaved. said sex slaves were ok as well as many other disgusting practices like marrying a 6 year olds and consummating at 9.
How is that the same? remember mo is the most perfect man that ever lived and muslims need to be as much like him as they can.
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 22 October 22:15
Pesty said:
If its poverty over there why are people from here joining?
People don't generally join an army to get rich (unless they're Crusaders 
). But, yes, there is a correlation (but not an ironclad rule) that poverty follows lack of education follows religious belief.Pesty said:
I don't recall orthadox christians from all over the world joining the Serbian army to fight 20 years ago.
Which Orthodoxy, though? As Slavs, the Serbs did garner significant popular (and diplomatic) support from Russia, Hungary, etc. I don't think they ever really pressed the religious button (and, as the Yugoslav Muslims are so secular, that would have been difficult).TheRealFingers99 said:
Pesty said:
If its poverty over there why are people from here joining?
People don't generally join an army to get rich (unless they're Crusaders ). But, yes, there is a correlation (but not an ironclad rule) that poverty follows lack of education follows religious belief.Pesty said:
I don't recall orthadox christians from all over the world joining the Serbian army to fight 20 years ago.
Which Orthodoxy, though? As Slavs, the Serbs did garner significant popular (and diplomatic) support from Russia, Hungary, etc. I don't think they ever really pressed the religious button (and, as the Yugoslav Muslims are so secular, that would have been difficult).whatever orthadoxy did any from here go to fight? why didnt serbians when defeated commit revenge terror attacks and blow up buses in london?. Could it be the rewards they expect from allah and no real equivelent in christianity? the book says kill infidels. they think they will get props in heaven for killing infidels. to deny that has any bearing is staggering.
even though we helped Bosnia there have been plenty of reports of terror camps set up in bosnia. Are you saying none from bosnia have gone to join isis?
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 22 October 22:24
TLandCruiser said:
The bad news, though:"Analysts said the military might be stepping up its air campaign in an effort to weaken rebel groups before they began receiving training and equipment from the US and its allies so that they can take the fight to IS on the ground in Syria."
So Syria is bombing FSA before it can receive US arms and training? And still using barrel bombs?
Pesty said:
Are there verses in the bible that tell you to cut the necks of unbelievers?
There are verses in the Bible that tell you to do much worse than that! See Dawkins The God Delusion.The bible is a book of two halves -- the Old Testament, shared with the Jews and Muslims, and the New Testament -- the bit with Jesus in it. But it's the same Sky Fairy.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Pesty said:
Are there verses in the bible that tell you to cut the necks of unbelievers?
There are verses in the Bible that tell you to do much worse than that! See Dawkins The God Delusion.The bible is a book of two halves -- the Old Testament, shared with the Jews and Muslims, and the New Testament -- the bit with Jesus in it. But it's the same Sky Fairy.
Mo said sex slaves were ok. Isis are following his teachings by doing just that, how is that poverty? they are using a prescriptive religion word for word, or at least the bits they want to. so the religion has something to do with it to ignore the part religion is playing is missing a quite hefty chunk of what unites these people above politics and poverty.
Pesty said:
That doesn't answer the question at all, he said it was pverty. muslims from here who are not poor are going over there to fight. so it cant all be poverty can it. there must be some other common link like the book they read and the way they place islam before country and nationality. one law gods law etc
whatever orthadoxy did any from here go to fight? why didnt serbians when defeated commit revenge terror attacks and blow up buses in london?. Could it be the rewards they expect from allah and no real equivelent in christianity? the book says kill infidels. they think they will get props in heaven for killing infidels. to deny that has any bearing is staggering.
even though we helped Bosnia there have been plenty of reports of terror camps set up in bosnia. Are you saying none from bosnia have gone to join isis?
People are going to fight for all kinds of perverse reasons. Nevertheless, poor places tend to have more religious and less educated, populations. whatever orthadoxy did any from here go to fight? why didnt serbians when defeated commit revenge terror attacks and blow up buses in london?. Could it be the rewards they expect from allah and no real equivelent in christianity? the book says kill infidels. they think they will get props in heaven for killing infidels. to deny that has any bearing is staggering.
even though we helped Bosnia there have been plenty of reports of terror camps set up in bosnia. Are you saying none from bosnia have gone to join isis?
Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 22 October 22:24
Remember, the people fighting the Muslims of ISIS and taking casualties are largely Muslims. No doubt there are a few Christians and Atheists in there, too, but they're the minority.
I don't think the Serbs saw NATO as a non-Christian entity whose citizens they should attack.
The Bosnian government pretty much kicked out the Jihadis after the war. AFAIK, they are no longer there. It must have been a really strange experience for them -- Muslim women wearing jeans and mini-skirts, largely not wearing head scarves, being ordered not to blow up Christian churches.
No doubt some went on to Chechnya, some to Afghanistan.
Pesty said:
I belive this is what Christianity and western culture is based on.
I'd disagree with that. We've only seen some semblance of that "humanism" relatively recently. The NT has been about for a long time.Pesty said:
Mo said sex slaves were ok. Isis are following his teachings by doing just that, how is that poverty? they are using a prescriptive religion word for word, or at least the bits they want to. so the religion has something to do with it to ignore the part religion is playing is missing a quite hefty chunk of what unites these people above politics and poverty.
But different Muslims place a different interpretation on the words. Jews are just as split on interpretation. all kinds of perverse reasons. but one unites them, their religion.
which is why steven from portmouth baptist church isnt joining isis but ali from Southampton is.
both born in the same country. one identifies with his brothers in another counrty over the people with the same nationality.
which is why steven from portmouth baptist church isnt joining isis but ali from Southampton is.
both born in the same country. one identifies with his brothers in another counrty over the people with the same nationality.
Pesty said:
all kinds of perverse reasons. but one unites them, their religion.
which is why steven from portmouth baptist church isnt joining isis but ali from Southampton is.
both born in the same country. one identifies with his brothers in another counrty over the people with the same nationality.
And disunites them. which is why steven from portmouth baptist church isnt joining isis but ali from Southampton is.
both born in the same country. one identifies with his brothers in another counrty over the people with the same nationality.
You've also got US grunts and Dutch biker gangs fighting alongside the Kurds (Muslims). You had English factory workers fighting alongside Spanish peasants in the Spanish Civil War.
Meanwhile, ISIS puts fresh troops into Kobane fight, re-takes hill. They really seem obsessed by it -- said elsewhere to have taken approximately 500 casualties to coalition air strikes alone mainly around Kobane.
More heavy fighting around Shingal Mountain (where the Yezidi were trapped before) and around Mosul.
More heavy fighting around Shingal Mountain (where the Yezidi were trapped before) and around Mosul.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Thursday 23 October 19:20
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