Legroom on a plane
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I'm slightly mystified by the concept of these anti-recline devices.
The airline allows the seat in front of you to recline. The most legroom to which you are entitled is the legroom that is left when the seat ahead is fully reclined. If that isn't sufficient for you, then you have a number of options
Equally, it is incumbent on the person ahead only to recline the seat if there is a reasonable need to do so. They should refrain from doing so during a meal service. I rarely recline a seat on a short-haul flight.
The airline allows the seat in front of you to recline. The most legroom to which you are entitled is the legroom that is left when the seat ahead is fully reclined. If that isn't sufficient for you, then you have a number of options
- pay for an upgrade
- ensure that you check in at the first possible opportunity to get a bulkhead seat
- book an airline where the seats don't recline
- ask the crew to see if there is a seat somewhere else to which you could move where the person in front does not wish to recline the seat
- ask the person in front politely if they need to recline the seat (they probably do as otherwise they wouldn't be doing it)
Equally, it is incumbent on the person ahead only to recline the seat if there is a reasonable need to do so. They should refrain from doing so during a meal service. I rarely recline a seat on a short-haul flight.
Edited by AstonZagato on Saturday 30th August 14:33
el stovey said:
Colonial said:
Don't get why people have to be some aggressive over something so... meaningless.
Because they lack empathy with others, they don't really know how to behave around other human beings and they have an inflated sense of their own worth and entitlement.Added to that, they are stuck in an aircraft, where they have little controll over anything, except possibly how far their and the seat infront, reclines.
It often doesn't take much for these angry morons to erupt.
But this thread is about the passenger cabin, not the flight deck.
eharding said:
el stovey said:
Colonial said:
Don't get why people have to be some aggressive over something so... meaningless.
Because they lack empathy with others, they don't really know how to behave around other human beings and they have an inflated sense of their own worth and entitlement.Added to that, they are stuck in an aircraft, where they have little controll over anything, except possibly how far their and the seat infront, reclines.
It often doesn't take much for these angry morons to erupt.
But this thread is about the passenger cabin, not the flight deck.
Sheepshanks said:
The Government uses HRG and a friends son flies internationally a few times a year and he always gets upgraded.
That's probably your answer - they (we) will be paying over the odds for the tickets in the first place.In my experience, regardless of the company's corporate travel provider any upgrades seem to be down to the airline, and the frequency you fly with them, rather than who the tickets were booked through.
Just need to add: some of this thread is comedy gold in terms of the dummy-spitting and keyboard-'warrioring' on display.
There's some cracking irony/hypocrisy too - "I am entitled to recline my seat so I am going to fking well do so, regardless of anyone else's discomfort", followed by rants about<paraphrasing> "...pricks using their laptops when I'm trying to sleep!"
AstonZagato said:
I'm slightly mystified by the concept of these anti-recline devices.
The airline allows the seat in front of you to recline. The most legroom to which you are entitled is the legroom that is left when the seat ahead is fully reclined. If that isn't sufficient for you, then you have a number of options
That's pretty much the way I see it, if reclining seats are fitted then you should be free to recline them at yor discretion and not that of the person sitting behind. If you are a large/tall/fat person and the space provided isn't sufficient for your needs then maybe you have to dig deep and pay for an upgrade, or fly with a different airline. If you disagree with the airline's decision to fit reclining seats then take it up with them.The airline allows the seat in front of you to recline. The most legroom to which you are entitled is the legroom that is left when the seat ahead is fully reclined. If that isn't sufficient for you, then you have a number of options
- pay for an upgrade
- ensure that you check in at the first possible opportunity to get a bulkhead seat
- book an airline where the seats don't recline
- ask the crew to see if there is a seat somewhere else to which you could move where the person in front does not wish to recline the seat
- ask the person in front politely if they need to recline the seat (they probably do as otherwise they wouldn't be doing it)
PorkInsider said:
Sheepshanks said:
The Government uses HRG and a friends son flies internationally a few times a year and he always gets upgraded.
That's probably your answer - they (we) will be paying over the odds for the tickets in the first place.creampuff said:
0000 said:
Thank God half the seats on a plane are bulkhead seats, otherwise this wouldn't be very useful.
Half the people on the airplane aren't 6'2" either. I'm getting the impression that the tall anti-recliners just have not grasped the fact that economy class travel has very limited space and it uncomfortable for everyone except 3 year olds for whom it must seem like an armchair with TV.
We also have to book through Corporate Amex and sometimes they even bugger it up so that you don't get the option to pay to upgrade. That annoys me.
AstonZagato said:
The most legroom to which you are entitled is the legroom that is left when the seat ahead is fully reclined.
No, the most legroom you're entitled to is the legroom taken up by your legs. Depending on your height this may or may not prevent the seat in front reclining. Unless you can show me the smallprint that says people around 6'5 or above aren't to book economy seats.Using an anti-recline device is being a tt, being moderately tall is not.
Flying on Monday, short hop ( 2hrs or so), on a budget airline.
As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
walsh said:
Flying on Monday, short hop ( 2hrs or so), on a budget airline.
As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
I thought the same.As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
tenpenceshort said:
Try entertaining an 18 month old on a 4 hour flight, when he's tired but won't sleep. I think the poor people ahead and behind us got bored of 'peepo' after about 3 hours solid of it.
Try sitting near the above! Did it on a 10 hour flight to Vegas, who the hell takes a baby to Vegas!!!!!!After 5 hours of crying and screaming I honestly thought I would snap. The 2nd 5 hours of crying and screaming was drowned out by my own crying and screaming
groucho said:
walsh said:
Flying on Monday, short hop ( 2hrs or so), on a budget airline.
As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
I thought the same.As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
On a poll on the Telegraph out of 20,000 respondents 70% were in favour of banning reclining seats on airplanes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11062...
It appears the general public, most of whom do not reach the giant heights of those in this thread, are not in favour of others imposing themselves into their space. Making others uncomfortable for the sake of your own comfort is nothing to be proud of.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11062...
It appears the general public, most of whom do not reach the giant heights of those in this thread, are not in favour of others imposing themselves into their space. Making others uncomfortable for the sake of your own comfort is nothing to be proud of.
JagLover said:
On a poll on the Telegraph out of 20,000 respondents 70% were in favour of banning reclining seats on airplanes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11062...
It appears the general public, most of whom do not reach the giant heights of those in this thread, are not in favour of others imposing themselves into their space. Making others uncomfortable for the sake of your own comfort is nothing to be proud of.
What does being proud of have to do with comfort? What a strange notion.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11062...
It appears the general public, most of whom do not reach the giant heights of those in this thread, are not in favour of others imposing themselves into their space. Making others uncomfortable for the sake of your own comfort is nothing to be proud of.
It's not the person behinds space, it is the space the chair is designed to go into, so if the space 'belongs' to anyone it is the person in front.
Are the people complain the same as those who complain about people parking on the road in their space because it is outside of their home?
Are the people complain the same as those who complain about people parking on the road in their space because it is outside of their home?
HappySilver said:
Are the people complain the same as those who complain about people parking on the road in their space because it is outside of their home?
I think there's two different people. The ones using the devices probably fit this category. The ones whose legs already occupy that space are more like people who've already parked their cars outside their home complaining that someone else is trying to bump their car out of the space it already occupies because they've paid road tax.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff