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loafer123 said:
We don't need less cows, we need less people.
Ahh, but you won't find a politician who will talk about that. The more people, the more 'disadvantage' the more votes they can make empty promises for.I can't think of one of today's global problems that wouldn't be eased by a lower population. 'Climate change' in all it's forms, hunger, disease and treatment, you name it.
Stepping away from the whole climate change angle of the debate, there is a discussion to be had about other resources used in livestock production, especially water, but also large scale production causing biodiversity loss and other environmental damage. Framing the debate as climate change only does rather serve to polarize it, which is a shame, as there are plenty of non-greenhouse gas concerns I'm sure reasonable people would be interested in were they not given the immediate get out of "it's another bloody climate change story, I'm ignoring it!".
technogogo said:
Yes. It is at a level of scientific certainty as way back when it was proven that the earth was, in fact, round.
Also, that the cause is human activity (cows included) is also no longer disputed in mainstream scientific circles.
To deny global warming today is to put yourself into a group of people who cannot be reasoned with and who are not likely to believe any evidence at all. To me it is like someone claiming Elvis is still alive or that some magicians really can make things disappear.
If all such PH folks can make themselves know below..... oh you are already typing?!
I don't deny global warming - the satellite temperature data does though.....Also, that the cause is human activity (cows included) is also no longer disputed in mainstream scientific circles.
To deny global warming today is to put yourself into a group of people who cannot be reasoned with and who are not likely to believe any evidence at all. To me it is like someone claiming Elvis is still alive or that some magicians really can make things disappear.
If all such PH folks can make themselves know below..... oh you are already typing?!
WinstonWolf said:
How have you found the coldest August on record? I'll be honest, I could do with this fabled Global Warming actually putting in an appearance.
And leave my sodding meat alone
You plan on driving two hundred miles across this great country of ours on a mix of all types of road types. You do not look out of your front door and say, "oh good, traffic is very light, we will not encounter any delays or issues." To do so would be to invite ridicule.And leave my sodding meat alone
technogogo said:
WinstonWolf said:
How have you found the coldest August on record? I'll be honest, I could do with this fabled Global Warming actually putting in an appearance.
And leave my sodding meat alone
You plan on driving two hundred miles across this great country of ours on a mix of all types of road types. You do not look out of your front door and say, "oh good, traffic is very light, we will not encounter any delays or issues." To do so would be to invite ridicule.And leave my sodding meat alone
technogogo said:
Same story. Oh the traffic outside my house at 12 noon is much quieter than it was at 8am. I will give it another four hours and make my trip then.
After 17 and a half years and counting - I'd assume the traffic isn't coming back (given as the whole "warming" period that got Hansen's knickers in a twist was 22 years - though only 12 when the first screams of the sky is falling came out) .REALIST123 said:
loafer123 said:
We don't need less cows, we need less people.
Ahh, but you won't find a politician who will talk about that. The more people, the more 'disadvantage' the more votes they can make empty promises for.I can't think of one of today's global problems that wouldn't be eased by a lower population. 'Climate change' in all it's forms, hunger, disease and treatment, you name it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
Population is going up because the world is a much healthier place. Should we cull the old, useless people? We certainly don't want to cut down on the young people as they are the ones that do the hard work.
Jinx said:
After 17 and a half years and counting - I'd assume the traffic isn't coming back (given as the whole "warming" period that got Hansen's knickers in a twist was 22 years - though only 12 when the first screams of the sky is falling came out) .
And you are certain of that? I mean you've looked at the credentials of the climate scientists that explain that and found them less qualified and fewer in number than the ones that promote that idea? Without introducing any personal bias at all? Scouts honor? Not being funny, just genuinely interested in how you came to your firm belief.
Randy Winkman said:
WinstonWolf said:
To claim Global Warming exists when there has been none for two decades would also invite ridicule.
I've not seen a hedgehog for over 20 years but my Mum saw one the other week. So they do still exist.If you chose to rely on one news source then indeed, the sky is falling in, but sometimes its worth looking outside and questioning whats being said and for what reason.
Oh, Ive not seen hedgehogs in my garden for a few years though that might be because the fence has been fixed. Though it could be Global wombling....
'Over' population issues aside (though they will be in the mix too):
It is worth remembering that if you wanted to make absolute s
tloads of money you would convince people to eat something cheap and addictive that makes them fat and ill and thus in lifelong need of drugs that you also sell.
Guess which foodstuffs are cheap and addictive. And which are not. Go on...
It is worth remembering that if you wanted to make absolute s
tloads of money you would convince people to eat something cheap and addictive that makes them fat and ill and thus in lifelong need of drugs that you also sell.Guess which foodstuffs are cheap and addictive. And which are not. Go on...
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