Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
xjsdriver said:
You mean a clear majority of over 65s who may have more nostalgia for the union and the royal family? The rest of us see them as parasites....and we know the union is on its last legs.
Surely what is indisputable is that a clear majority of eligible Scots voted no, neither their age nor their reasons for voting as they did matter. In the end the vote wasn't even close, the Scottish people have spoken and you should respect their decision.Blib said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:lamboman100 said:
A quick refresher.
28 of the 32 Scotland wards voted "No".
Respectfully, why do you keep mentioning this as if it means something when it wasn't that sort of election?28 of the 32 Scotland wards voted "No".
HenryJM said:
So where do you get that from? People go into a ballot, they vote, there is no measurement of who voted what.
You come up with this 'clear majority', how? On what basis are you making that assumption?
Why am I wrong to suggest that you and/or the people spouting rhetoric at you are making it up?
I'm basing my opinion on demographics reports.......printed in many newspapers and many online sources.You come up with this 'clear majority', how? On what basis are you making that assumption?
Why am I wrong to suggest that you and/or the people spouting rhetoric at you are making it up?
xjsdriver said:
The majority of the 55 don't have access to online media.....and newspapers and TV was their only source of information on the referendum..... Don't you mean you're not interested anymore? Don't presume to judge others by your own low standards.
LOL.That is something that you have made up. No one knows.
One could equally turn it around and say that those with access to social media only voted Yes because of the lies spread by wings over Scotland.
Stop moaning and get on with healing your country. The people have spoken. That you don't like the answer only strengthens my belief that the Nationalists are fundamentally anti democratic. "Getting the government we vote for" is code for "I don't like others voting for someone I don't want" and "settled will of the sovereign Scotttish people" is only relevant if they happen to agree with you.
The Scottish people have spoken. They voted to remain in the Union. It is your patriotic duty to Scotland to make sure that decision works. Anything else would make you a traitor to you fellow Scots.
After the Quebec referendum, investment fell. Even the Bank of Montreal left. That is why you must drop this nonsense now and get on with repairing the rifts.
xjsdriver said:
I'm basing my opinion on demographics reports.......printed in many newspapers and many online sources.
Are you suggesting that older people shouldn't have a vote? Or that the reason a person votes as they do somehow detracts from the legitimacy of that vote? You have some strange ideas about democracy. Or maybe it's just sour grapes...xjsdriver said:
HenryJM said:
So where do you get that from? People go into a ballot, they vote, there is no measurement of who voted what.
You come up with this 'clear majority', how? On what basis are you making that assumption?
Why am I wrong to suggest that you and/or the people spouting rhetoric at you are making it up?
I'm basing my opinion on demographics reports.......printed in many newspapers and many online sources.You come up with this 'clear majority', how? On what basis are you making that assumption?
Why am I wrong to suggest that you and/or the people spouting rhetoric at you are making it up?
Their report involved things like an age group of 16-17 years, they spoke to fourteen of them. So not even one in each area, or one in every other area - 14 of them who they managed to get on the phone.
Get up to the 18-24 and a stunning group of 84 of them were found (who incidentally had a majority voting yes).
It's meaningless nonsense, the snp and Salmond seem to have leapt on it but who with any sense is drawing any opinions from it? The opinion from the whole of the under 25's defined by getting less than a hundred of them to talk to them on the phone and getting out pretty much 50-50 on what they think.
And on that the SNP and Salmond think they can draw conclusions on the whole of the country.
Dear God it's pathetic.
AstonZagato said:
xjsdriver said:
I'm basing my opinion on demographics reports.......printed in many newspapers and many online sources.
That are based on tiny sample sizes. And rely on the respondents telling the truth. How people voted in the privacy of the polling booth in unknown.
OpulentBob said:
AstonZagato said:
The Scottish people have spoken. They voted to remain in the Union. It is your patriotic duty to Scotland to make sure that decision works. Anything else would make you a traitor to you fellow Scots.
This is absolutely correct. xjsdriver said:
Patriotic duty? You do come out with some jingoistic claptrap don't you? What ever next? handing out white feathers? Oh and by the way - I'm not Scottish!!! Prat!!!
It's always hard to understand what people mean by that. We have that nutter who lives in Bath or Bristol and claims to be scottish then there's you who claims to live in Scotland, seems to support scottish independence but now isn't scottish. Ah well, each to their own.xjsdriver said:
OpulentBob said:
AstonZagato said:
The Scottish people have spoken. They voted to remain in the Union. It is your patriotic duty to Scotland to make sure that decision works. Anything else would make you a traitor to you fellow Scots.
This is absolutely correct. To suggest only old people voted no is a joke. I sit on a floor of 25 finance/IT people between maybe mid 20's and mid 40's and they ALL voted no. So in my poll i conducted on friday NO 25-45 year olds voted yes and that has just as much legitimacy as one that asks FOURTEEN teenagers.
I thought Alex Salmond was a disgrace throughout his campaign and now hes getting even worse. He sounds like hes a couple of whiskies away from donning blue face paint and marching on London, probably riding atop Jim Sillars.
Its done, move on, lets hope we can get to the next election and vote the nats out burying the idea of independence for at least my lifetime.
I thought Alex Salmond was a disgrace throughout his campaign and now hes getting even worse. He sounds like hes a couple of whiskies away from donning blue face paint and marching on London, probably riding atop Jim Sillars.
Its done, move on, lets hope we can get to the next election and vote the nats out burying the idea of independence for at least my lifetime.
HenryJM said:
Ok cool - but this doesn't appear to support xjsdrivers assertions:The age groups 18-14 and 55-64 had a higher proportion of no voters - so the "it's because they don't have access online information and relied on print media which lied to them" excuse wouldn't appear to hold. Both of those demographics have high levels of access to online media.
According to OFCOM data - in 2012, 90% of 18-24 year olds and 75% of 55-64 year olds had internet access (probably higher now). Even in the 65+ age group the figure was 46%.
The fact is - polls showed Yes had around 35%-45% support right from the start of polling - so it appears that despite all the campaigning - aside from a few people who jumped one way or the other - the final result was pretty much what it was always going to be.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 22 September 09:03
RYH64E said:
In the end the vote wasn't even close, the Scottish people have spoken and you should respect their decision.
I'm well glad it was a No, but I have to disagree when people say it wasn't close. The difference between Yes and No was just 383,937 - or 4.26 Wembley stadium fulls.When you consider the number of major towns and cities that is spread over - Perth, Stirling, Dundee, Inverness, Aberdeen, Glasgee and Edinburgh - THAT is fook all.
And then consider that if just 191,969 - or just 2.133 Wembley fulls, had voted the other way, Salmond would have been sat there stroking a fluffy white cat on his lap.
Cobnapint said:
I'm well glad it was a No, but I have to disagree when people say it wasn't close. The difference between Yes and No was just 383,937 - or 4.26 Wembley stadium fulls.
When you consider the number of major towns and cities that is spread over - Perth, Stirling, Dundee, Inverness, Aberdeen, Glasgee and Edinburgh - THAT is fook all.
And then consider that if just 191,969 - or just 2.133 Wembley fulls, had voted the other way, Salmond would have been sat there stroking a fluffy white cat on his lap.
It makes no difference how close it was. The referendum could have gone one way or the other off the back of a single vote - and no provision was given to what would happen in the event of a close vote.When you consider the number of major towns and cities that is spread over - Perth, Stirling, Dundee, Inverness, Aberdeen, Glasgee and Edinburgh - THAT is fook all.
And then consider that if just 191,969 - or just 2.133 Wembley fulls, had voted the other way, Salmond would have been sat there stroking a fluffy white cat on his lap.
If Yes had won by one vote - do you think the Yessers would be giving a second thought to the "50% -1 vote" - or would they be partying in the street celebrating their win, waving flags and planning to implement the split?
The fact is - the majority have spoken........it really matters not one jot how big that majority is. If people can't handle losing by a small margin - they shouldn't ask for and participate in a referendum where this could be (and was always likely to be) the outcome.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 22 September 08:47
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