Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[anonymous-user]

Evidence for something that will happen in the future?

You mean, like the written and spoken evidence (from Reichsfuhrer Salmond) that Yessirs would accept the democratically decided, full, final and settled will of the Scottish people?

45ers make me laugh. Ma told her (livid, workshy) Bell's Hill brother and his clan that 45 is clearly the upper limit IQ required for entry.

[Oakey]

arp1 said:

The day after (19th)a timetable of further powers was supposed to be published as a motion before uk parliament and all parties supporting this. Has that happened?

Are you for real? You're criticising them because they haven't given you a proposal immediately? Despite the SNP not even having a solution to things like currency, or the EU, etc?

[barryrs]

I hear Mr Murray is distancing himself from his tweet on the radio this morning.

[Moonhawk]

Greg66 said:

arp1 said:

The people of Scotland were duped

Are you saying that the people of Scotland are stupid and gullible?

Or just that the majority of people in Scotland are stupid and gullible?

I'd love to see evidence that they were duped. If there was a massive swing from Yes to No after the new powers had been promised - that argument might hold some weight - but the fact is - when you look at the poll results - it appeared to make little if any difference.

Also - you can only claim people have been duped if the promise of new powers doesn't materialise. From all of the evidence we have seen so far - it is clear that Scotland will be getting more power as a result of this - and so if people voted No on the back of that promise - then they are getting exactly what they voted for.......

[arp1]

All I have seen so far is squabbling and parties not agreeing to everything, especially with the 'England thing', and it seems to me that if the 'England thing' isn't sorted out, neither will the Scottish promises be fulfilled.

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

The people of Scotland were duped by a mad dash at the end and pensioners (we have an ageing population mind) scared re. Pensions and services, those who are not on t'internet and have to rely on biased media. It really is a poor do.

I challenge anyone to come back at me and provide evidence that the promises are and will be upheld.

oh wise and ever ever ever so clever person

Why was support for a NO higher before westminster promised anything?

[Moonhawk]

Oakey said:

Are you for real? You're criticising them because they haven't given you a proposal immediately? Despite the SNP not even having a solution to things like currency, or the EU, etc?

Just more examples of nationalist hypocrisy.

They cry that the BBC etc have lied/mislead (nobody seems to be posting what these lies etc are though) - yet Salmond has been shown to have demonstrably lied and mislead voters over things like "talking to the EU about membership" - but the nationalists don't bat an eyelid.

They cry about the possibility of promises being broken, despite clear evidence that they are in fact going to be delivered - yet Salmond made promises he didn't have the power, let alone the capability to deliver - but the nationalists don't bat an eyelid.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

[Rovinghawk]

arp1 said:

All I have seen so far is squabbling and parties not agreeing to everything.

Like disagreeing with the settled will of the Scottish people when it turned out to be not what you wanted?

[barryrs]

Id like to see an investigation into voting in the referendum; specifically the alleged registration of under 16's.

I suspect the Yes voters are the most likely culprits in this respect and as such arent making much noise about it.

[Moonhawk]

arp1 said:

All I have seen so far is squabbling and parties not agreeing to everything, especially with the 'England thing', and it seems to me that if the 'England thing' isn't sorted out, neither will the Scottish promises be fulfilled.

Politicians disagree on how to implement policy - more at 11. In other news - bears s#it in woods.

I disagree about the "England thing". The parties differ because the Tories wan't any new policy for England to be delivered at the same time as the policy for Scotland - whereas Labour disagree. This may have the effect of delaying the policy for Scotland - but I don't see how it affects the overall outcome in terms of what powers Scotland will get.

[Moonhawk]

barryrs said:

I suspect the Yes voters are the most likely culprits in this respect and as such arent making much noise about it.

How cynical of you - you mean Yessers would only highlight possible vote fraud where it appeared to work against them

Surely in the interests of fairness and democracy - they would be duty bound to report any evidence or suspicions of vote rigging/fraud, regardless of who was carrying it out......no?

[McWigglebum4th]

Rovinghawk said:

Like disagreeing with the settled will of the Scottish people when it turned out to be not what you wanted?

Silly boy

If you voted NO then you aren't scottish

[Moonhawk]

Just seen this posted on somebodies Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015464912239...

[Moonhawk]

McWigglebum4th said:

Silly boy

If you voted NO then you aren't scottish

Even IF it were true, that line of argument is not actually relevant.

The vote was given to people resident in Scotland not to just to people who are 'Scottish'.

[hornetrider]

My first post on these independence threads.

Why on earth are yes voters continuing to bang on about this? A referendum was held, was lost by 10 points, issue done surely? Democracy has spoken. You can't disagree just because you voted yes, the majority voted no and that's that.

Regarding the additional devolved powers, do people really envision that this would be able to happen the next day? These are important constituional issues that need to be worked through in a thorough, professional manner. Have patience, and it will be sorted out.

Jesus titty fking christ.

[Rovinghawk]

hornetrider said:

Democracy has spoken.

Yes, but it said the 'wrong' words.

[Alpacaman]

Moonhawk said:

Just seen this posted on somebodies Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1015464912239...

Thanks for sharing that, there are some very sore losers around here I might share that with.

[MintyChris]

hornetrider said:

My first post on these independence threads.

Why on earth are yes voters continuing to bang on about this? A referendum was held, was lost by 10 points, issue done surely? Democracy has spoken. You can't disagree just because you voted yes, the majority voted no and that's that.

Regarding the additional devolved powers, do people really envision that this would be able to happen the next day? These are important constituional issues that need to be worked through in a thorough, professional manner. Have patience, and it will be sorted out.

Jesus titty fking christ.

Yes it would have taken years to get Independence but they want devolved powers yesterday.

My main concern now is that yes votes will be turned into SNP votes. This is going to help keep this shambles of a government in power in Scotland.

[Rick_1138]

I did get a laugh d a slight shudder of fear yesterday when I read that Reichsfurer Salmond (Hence he shall be known) has now said that Referendum was only one way to Scottish Independence, he shoes that as it was the finest but now if the SNP get a majority in the Scottish elections, then they can become independent that way....I wasn't quite sure how that worked.

However this also means that independence through violence may also be a 'way' to independence.

The sooner that man gets found out the better.

I can only hope the majority who voted No in the referendum vote massively in favour of either the Lib Dems or Labour in Scotland to make the SNP the fringe party it always was again.

I am not a great fan of the idea of a Labour government at the next electon, but if it puts the independence thing to bed for a long time then I may be happier with that. Eve with Balls as Chancellor.

[A.J.M]

Someone local to me plastered the local builders signs with yes stickers.

Got to be a sore point seeing them all and being reminding they were outvoted...