Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Strocky]

andymadmak said:

On your first point about the Scottish defence budget. The comments in your linked article talked about "a lot of defence spending being based in London" , which is not really true. Nobody is talking about attacking Putin, although given how acquisitive he has become of late how can you be 100% sure that IS could defend itself if Putin took a shine to your North Sea Oil assets? And as for ISIS, ISIL or whichever iteration of that beast we are talking about, you might not be inclined to attack them, but they might well fancy a pop at you at some point!
It's a silly point I am making on one level, but it illustrates the paucity of thinking displayed by the SNP on defence matters. The articles defence budget estimates do not appear to take into account the hard costs of having enough kit of the right quality to be able to defend yourself effectively. - we can leave aside Mr Salmonds assertions that Scotland would be an active partner in NATO! Defence spending is what it is across the whole of the UK and we just about hold our own at the moment.......

On your point about the GERS figures, I don't think you are correct. There might be a few more hundreds of millions unaccounted for by Whiskey and such like, but the reality of it is that Scotland already spends BILLIONS more than it takes taxes - just like the rest of the UK. The recent fall in oil prices would have blown a further MASSIVE hole in IS finances. - A hole you would have found almost impossible to fill without a currency to borrow under. The fall hurts UK as a whole right now, but as a strong set of shoulders we can all carry the burden.....



One last point. You made an extremely offensive comment a few pages back when posters criticised Mr Salmond for wiping his nose on the flag of England. I believe you suggested that he should have wiped his arse on it instead? Perhaps you might consider a retraction?

I wouldn't think an IS foreign policy wishing to be the USA's lapdog and bomb brown people for oil or whatever resource they where after at the time, so we should be safe from extremists floating up the Clyde on Jihadi Speedboats

Re the flag remark, was tongue in cheek (like most of my posts) however if you found it offensive I apologise for misjudging the tone of the forum/thread

[A.J.M]

Strocky, can you answer my questions as you seem like a yes person?

[London424]

Strocky said:

mcdjl said:

Seeing as that small resource rich country would have taken on its share of the debt, and it seems to be doing ok at the moment, no not really.
Oh wait a minute I'm forgetting this picture: which might make you resource rich but cash poor.

I forgot Oil was only discovered in the last 3 months

Ah we've got a slow one here...might need to speak slower so they understand.

[andymadmak]

Strocky said:

Re the flag remark, was tongue in cheek (like most of my posts) however if you found it offensive I apologise for misjudging the tone of the forum/thread

Appreciated. Thanks

[McWigglebum4th]

A.J.M said:

Strocky, can you answer my questions as you seem like a yes person?

You mean a gobby idiot who can't answer questions

[Neonblau]

Strocky said:

I forgot Oil was only discovered in the last 3 months

Okay, what's your view on a 5 year low in the oil price?

While prices fall extraction costs will remain pretty much the same and North Sea costs are somewhere around $70 to $80 per barrel. No doubt the industry can take the long view and will continue to extract for a while but the profit, and hence the tax take, will be non existent.

Given OPEC's reluctance to cap production prices aren't likely to rise any time soon and indeed Russia's Central Bank is already working on intervention strategies for $60 per barrel and they aren't doing that for sts and giggles, they see that as a real possibility.

There's a massive oversupply and falling demand. The UK/Scotland isn't a big producer by any measure but the price fall would hit an independent Scotland much harder than the UK.

[Strocky]

McWigglebum4th said:

You mean a gobby idiot who can't answer questions

Big brave words from a supine Unionist cuckold

[Rollin]

Strocky said:

McWigglebum4th said:

You mean a gobby idiot who can't answer questions

Big brave words from a supine Unionist cuckold

Sums it all up. Welcome to the divided future of Scotland.

[A.J.M]

Strocky said:

Big brave words from a supine Unionist cuckold

Do you have an answer?

You are a yes voter I'm getting from your posts, you must have seen something on the yes groups on how they planed to help the poor. What were the powers they needed and why can't they be done currently?

[simoid]

A.J.M said:

Do you have an answer?

You are a yes voter I'm getting from your posts, you must have seen something on the yes groups on how they planed to help the poor. What were the powers they needed and why can't they be done currently?

I'm guessing we've met them before in a different guise.

Same st as previous posters, quips instead of genuine debate, has no problem punting out PHisms like "fixed that for you"... who else would join PH to talk about the Scottish referendum if it wasn't someone to wind us up?

[McWigglebum4th]

Strocky said:

McWigglebum4th said:

You mean a gobby idiot who can't answer questions

Big brave words from a supine Unionist cuckold

You are a typical YES wker

Your total life is an utter fking failure

You know how fking hopeless you are


You life is a failure because of you, you and you


Westminster and the english are powerless to hold me back

Why have they held you back?

[McWigglebum4th]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251642661737

snigger

[A.J.M]

Wiggly.

Do us all a favour and get off the fence on this.
Say what you feel and don't sugar coat it!

Simon, I've gathered as much.

Still curious as to why only Indy could bring the change and why the SNP haven't done anything about it for the last 7 years.

[Troubleatmill]

Stagecoach ( owned by Scottish independence lover - Mr B Soutar ........
Devolution of powers for England.... It will be a disaster for Stagecoach.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30289913


So... nationalisation is bad. Privatisation is good.

[McWigglebum4th]

Hey edinurgh

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-tri...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Still impressed by the SNP and their love of democracy

[NicD]

McWigglebum4th said:

Hey edinurgh

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-tri...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Still impressed by the SNP and their love of democracy

I agree with them, but for the opposite reason. Why not another referendum with no promises this time and get it over with.

[mcdjl]

McWigglebum4th said:

Hey edinurgh

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-tri...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Still impressed by the SNP and their love of democracy

It's interesting (telling?) that they seem to believe that giving the SNP (themselves) the power to vary income tax levels will lead to tax rises....

[Welshbeef]

So Sturgeon is nailing herself to the SNP claptrap and has stated that in 2015 (she hinted at early but let's give the the entire year) that oil prices will be "well above $100" so no cuts in spending will be required.



Even if that is that case what about the time between June 2014 and whenever this supposedly happens next year? They are banking on wasn't it £6billions a year hmm. Me thinks those income tax rising powers for Scotland 1/5/15 will be used very quickly.

[McWigglebum4th]

mcdjl said:

It's interesting (telling?) that they seem to believe that giving the SNP (themselves) the power to vary income tax levels will lead to tax rises....

And they don't want young talented people leaving scotland to escape those higher taxes


Lets consider north korea

Hates it richer neighbours to the south
Blames everything on the rest of the world
Lies about it being the most powerful nation on earth
Worships one leader who hands power over to their chosen successor
Always gets the party they vote for
Silences anyone who speaks out against the nationalist party
and they don't let anyone escape


Nope completely different to the SNP

[Strocky]

A.J.M said:

Strocky, can you answer my questions as you seem like a yes person?

Although I'm dubious you have an open mind, I'll answer your question

Offsetting the bedroom tax
Free Prescriptions
The Referendum / Smith Commission
Ryder Cup / Commonwealth Games
Apprenticeships
Forth Road Crossing
Council Tax Freeze
Abolishing Bridge Tolls
Ensuring a balanced budget is a legal requirement of any SG
Abolishing Tuition Fees (if you're not a manky Sassenach)
Showing compassion to am innocent incarcerated dying man and giving two fingers to the Yanks at the same time

So more here -:

http://sb.snp.org/achievements/untitled.html

Also happy with their new push to modernise the Land Laws especially when it winds up the Tories enough to call Sturgeon, "Nicola Mugabe"

TBF there are things I disagree with on the SNP, for example -:

Offensive Behaviour Bill
Giving the Police to much power IMO
Trying to get rid of corroboration (Although with that halfwit McAskill demoted hopefully it will go with him)
New alcohol limted being lowered that will result in the day after the night punters running the risk of losing their licence