Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
Edinburger said:
barryrs said:
Edinburger said:
That's bad. Terrible politics, ridiculous policy, and awful PR/marketing. A poor message and downright embarrasing for Scotland.
Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
Anyway, are 95% of the so called mansion taxes really going to be raised from SE England? I find that hard to beleive.
Taken from the Guardian.Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
Anyway, are 95% of the so called mansion taxes really going to be raised from SE England? I find that hard to beleive.
Guardian said:
"Who will pay it?
There are just over 108,000 homes in the UK valued at more than £2m, according to the property website Zoopla. Of these, 85,461 are in London (88% of the total), and a further 14,261 are in the south-east. In Wales there are just 87 homes that would be liable for the tax. One London borough, Kensington and Chelsea, would pay about 35% of the tax in total."
A quick look on Zoopla shows a whole 41 properties worth over £2 million in Scotland and it appears several are listed more than once with multiple agents.There are just over 108,000 homes in the UK valued at more than £2m, according to the property website Zoopla. Of these, 85,461 are in London (88% of the total), and a further 14,261 are in the south-east. In Wales there are just 87 homes that would be liable for the tax. One London borough, Kensington and Chelsea, would pay about 35% of the tax in total."
Edited by barryrs on Tuesday 6th January 10:30
Looking pretty grey in Scotland; no change there though
barryrs said:
Edinburger said:
barryrs said:
Edinburger said:
That's bad. Terrible politics, ridiculous policy, and awful PR/marketing. A poor message and downright embarrasing for Scotland.
Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
Anyway, are 95% of the so called mansion taxes really going to be raised from SE England? I find that hard to beleive.
Taken from the Guardian.Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
Anyway, are 95% of the so called mansion taxes really going to be raised from SE England? I find that hard to beleive.
Guardian said:
"Who will pay it?
There are just over 108,000 homes in the UK valued at more than £2m, according to the property website Zoopla. Of these, 85,461 are in London (88% of the total), and a further 14,261 are in the south-east. In Wales there are just 87 homes that would be liable for the tax. One London borough, Kensington and Chelsea, would pay about 35% of the tax in total."
A quick look on Zoopla shows a whole 41 properties worth over £2 million in Scotland and it appears several are listed more than once with multiple agents.There are just over 108,000 homes in the UK valued at more than £2m, according to the property website Zoopla. Of these, 85,461 are in London (88% of the total), and a further 14,261 are in the south-east. In Wales there are just 87 homes that would be liable for the tax. One London borough, Kensington and Chelsea, would pay about 35% of the tax in total."
Edited by barryrs on Tuesday 6th January 10:30
Looking pretty grey in Scotland; no change there though
You can't accurately calculate the volume of £1m properties based on how many are for sale. Many of those properties will not have been sold for generations!
I'd also suggest that Edinburgh and Aberdeen accounted for most of £1m properties sold in Scotland last year, but on your last point remember there's a a lot of uninhabited land up here. Just 5m of us live a third of the UK's landmass.
Source. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/a...
And take the top two percentage numbers... and you get the magic 95% mentioned by Mr Murphy Esq.
Troubleatmill said:
Source. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/a...
And take the top two percentage numbers... and you get the magic 95% mentioned by Mr Murphy Esq.
I'm surprised at that. Still skewed marketing though and shows an undesirable slant.
Edinburger said:
barryrs said:
Edinburger said:
barryrs said:
Edinburger said:
That's bad. Terrible politics, ridiculous policy, and awful PR/marketing. A poor message and downright embarrasing for Scotland.
Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
Anyway, are 95% of the so called mansion taxes really going to be raised from SE England? I find that hard to beleive.
Taken from the Guardian.Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
Anyway, are 95% of the so called mansion taxes really going to be raised from SE England? I find that hard to beleive.
Guardian said:
"Who will pay it?
There are just over 108,000 homes in the UK valued at more than £2m, according to the property website Zoopla. Of these, 85,461 are in London (88% of the total), and a further 14,261 are in the south-east. In Wales there are just 87 homes that would be liable for the tax. One London borough, Kensington and Chelsea, would pay about 35% of the tax in total."
A quick look on Zoopla shows a whole 41 properties worth over £2 million in Scotland and it appears several are listed more than once with multiple agents.There are just over 108,000 homes in the UK valued at more than £2m, according to the property website Zoopla. Of these, 85,461 are in London (88% of the total), and a further 14,261 are in the south-east. In Wales there are just 87 homes that would be liable for the tax. One London borough, Kensington and Chelsea, would pay about 35% of the tax in total."
Edited by barryrs on Tuesday 6th January 10:30
Looking pretty grey in Scotland; no change there though
You can't accurately calculate the volume of £1m properties based on how many are for sale. Many of those properties will not have been sold for generations!
I'd also suggest that Edinburgh and Aberdeen accounted for most of £1m properties sold in Scotland last year, but on your last point remember there's a a lot of uninhabited land up here. Just 5m of us live a third of the UK's landmass.
Surely using current market figures would be the most suitable way of estimating the potential impact of the tax in Scotland?
According to the Telegraph Mr Murphy estimated that the Mansion Tax would raise only around £15 million in Scotland as there are fewer than 1,000 properties that would qualify.
The Independent also claims that HALF of Scotland is owned by just 500 people so the number of estates that would qualify for this tax is really quite small.
Why skewed? He won't have made the pledge without the support of the national Labour Party - and it's very clear they've agreed that if Labour forms a government, the Mansion Tax will go ahead and that it'll be used at least in part solely within Scotland (an additional sum on top of the Block Grant).
A thousand nurses, with a single nurse costing what, £40k when you include salary, pension, taxes and training/equipment? So an extra £40M out of a total revenue they've forecast (with a lot of doubt over the forecast) of £150M or so?
This is only happening as Labour have recognised the risk to them getting overall power that Scotland holds - with a hell of a lot of the voting thinking driven by the nonsense 'information' propaganda the SNP spouted at every opportunity.
Fluffnik will be overjoyed, it won't take much more of this sort of divisive politics for the Union to become untenable...
A thousand nurses, with a single nurse costing what, £40k when you include salary, pension, taxes and training/equipment? So an extra £40M out of a total revenue they've forecast (with a lot of doubt over the forecast) of £150M or so?
This is only happening as Labour have recognised the risk to them getting overall power that Scotland holds - with a hell of a lot of the voting thinking driven by the nonsense 'information' propaganda the SNP spouted at every opportunity.
Fluffnik will be overjoyed, it won't take much more of this sort of divisive politics for the Union to become untenable...
Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
That's bad. Terrible politics, ridiculous policy, and awful PR/marketing. A poor message and downright embarrasing for Scotland.
Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
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Pretty much the way the SNP are dragging usDon't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
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politics of envy and hate
but the SNP are shaping the political landscape of scotland
Edinburger said:
I don't think it was designed to wind up the English as it was designed for Scottish eyes.
Labour are struggling in Scotland. They're making a big deal of working autonomously and outwith the rule/control of UK Labour Party which is a break from the past, and I suspect this line is trying to jump on the back of the recent nationalist-driven feelings of self-worth rather than anything else.
As i saidLabour are struggling in Scotland. They're making a big deal of working autonomously and outwith the rule/control of UK Labour Party which is a break from the past, and I suspect this line is trying to jump on the back of the recent nationalist-driven feelings of self-worth rather than anything else.
The politics of envy and hate
And sponging off the south east is certainly NOT feelings of self worth
Edinburger said:
toppstuff said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
That's bad. Terrible politics, ridiculous policy, and awful PR/marketing. A poor message and downright embarrasing for Scotland.
Don't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
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Pretty much the way the SNP are dragging usDon't worry though as they only have two hopes of being elected - Bob Hope and no hope.
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politics of envy and hate
Labour are struggling in Scotland. They're making a big deal of working autonomously and outwith the rule/control of UK Labour Party which is a break from the past, and I suspect this line is trying to jump on the back of the recent nationalist-driven feelings of self-worth rather than anything else.
I agree that Jim's audience is Scottish, not south of the border, but it is slightly worrying that he feels the secondary offense or irritation that his words may cause are not sufficient for him to be more circumspect.
One of the ironies of course is that you can say - we share the oil so we share the mansion tax - which would be a fair point. It is however not helpful to rake over the detail as it just gives fuel for those who want to stoke a grievance (on either side). Not good.
Edinburger said:
Aye cos' he never tells porky pies.Edinburger said:
He's taking the p*ss now. It's not his decision or place to make that pledge. He has no credibility, the "once in a generation" pledge on a referendum became only his opinion when he thought it likely another could be pushed through.
Edinburger said:
Of course the 
doesn't want another vote, he's already said that the new plan is basically just to get every known power from Westminster and then just declare independence!Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
simoid said:
Ecosseven said:
Lots of discussion on the radio this morning about Alex Salmond stating there is massive support for Home Rule in Scotland. Taken from the BBC website.
"The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
Well that's what Salmond basically wanted from the referendum (or so the white paper claimed). He's just trying a variety of ways to skin his cat."The former Scottish first minister argued there was "massive evidence" that Scotland wanted home rule, which he described as being the full devolution of all domestic matters and taxation, with just foreign affairs and defence reserved to Westminster"
What is this “massive evidence”? Basically Salmond appears to be saying that he wants he security of the £ and remaining in Europe but wants full control over everything except foreign policy and defence. Talk about having your cake and eating it! Did I imagine the result of the referendum? Westminster would be crazy to devolve any more powers to Scotland over and above what the Smith commission recommends.
And anyway, it's all about the votes. He's got to keep his 45ers onside so he can't agree with anything a unionist does.
Like it or not, that is probably what most people in Scotland would prefer.
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