Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[simoid]

ellroy said:

How many times are you lot going to try arguing with stupid?

Sometimes is fun to play FIFA on amateur, or call of duty on recruit. Similarly: debating with nationalists

[McWigglebum4th]

simoid said:

ellroy said:

How many times are you lot going to try arguing with stupid?

Sometimes is fun to play FIFA on amateur, or call of duty on recruit. Similarly: debating with nationalists

debate?

No just call them aholes

[simoid]

McWigglebum4th said:

debate?

No just call them aholes

Well, I say debate. In the case of xjsdriver, quite often one can spend 4 seconds on a search engine and directly contradict what he's claimed, eg: "Salmond never said once in a lifetime opportunity"

[///ajd]

simoid said:

McWigglebum4th said:

debate?

No just call them aholes

Well, I say debate. In the case of xjsdriver, quite often one can spend 4 seconds on a search engine and directly contradict what he's claimed, eg: "Salmond never said once in a lifetime opportunity"

You do wonder if the Nats see the instant contradiction and think "how come we are always wrong?"

Maybe one day they will re-enact this sketch in their heads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

[Troubleatmill]

The problem is that even when words; and very clear words they are too; are spoken by an authority the Nationalists recognise - they chose not to accept them.

"Scotland has by a majority decided not at this stage to become an independent country,
I accept that verdict of the people and I call on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic verdict of the people of Scotland." - Alex Salmond

[barryrs]

Troubleatmill said:

The problem is that even when words; and very clear words they are too; are spoken by an authority the Nationalists recognise - they chose not to accept them.

"Scotland has by a majority decided not at this stage to become an independent country,
I accept that verdict of the people and I call on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic verdict of the people of Scotland." - Alex Salmond

Thing is nats focus on the few words bolded and salmond used them deliberately in order to keep the die hard nats on side.

It keeps the hopes and division alive and well.

[Troubleatmill]

Glasgow's missing millions: the money pilfered by the SNP
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasg...

[simoid]

Troubleatmill said:

Glasgow's missing millions: the money pilfered by the SNP
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasg...

Perhaps Glasgow should vote for independence to get away from the Holyrood elite

[Walford]

Money Done
Oil & Gas UK said falling oil prices and rising costs meant the sector spent and invested £5.3bn more than it earned from sales during 2014.
lets have another vote
big fish 40 years has gone were?

[MintyChris]

Troubleatmill said:

Glasgow's missing millions: the money pilfered by the SNP
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasg...

A big part of the SNP support comes from poorer areas of Scotland. This certainly is the case with Glasgow.

We know the SNP use poverty to blame Westminster, therefor strengthening their position in Scotland. Is it far fetched to conclude the SNP will benefit from maintaining poverty levels in Scotland?

I don't see them doing an awful lot to remedy this.

[simoid]

In the same way as FatFighters lose all their customers if their customers actually lose weight

[Welshbeef]

Listening to it IF there is no investment there will be 8-9billion barrels coming out if they invest possibly double that amount.

Either way that will end in what 20-40 years time. Possible less if energy production OR electric cars really take off. So strategically Scottish Govt & Westminster really need to be thinking now what happens to those cities and surrounding towns who's jobs are directly or indirectly related to Oil.
What is the plan B? If none then when it ends Aberdean could turn into the ghost towns of the South Wales valleys and Northern England after Coal became unviable.

This is the big picture.
So if a plaster is needed now which ensures the issue is pushed down the road for 20-40 years its probably a smart short term investment.

What next? Tidal power - not really heavy on labour once built.
Silicon Valley up there? Maybe huge data centres its colder so cheaper to run/keep to optimum temps.

However tourism extreme sports winter sports scotch haggis. But no ship building no trident who knows where and IF any finance houses are or are not there.

Same issue for Wales same for N.England same for Devon & Cornwall. A big issue for the country as a whole to understand and do something about it.

[Welshbeef]

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/25/scottish-p...


Interesting.

So let's just play this one out - what happens IF Holyrood reject this option to identify who is or isn't Scottish for Taxation purposes.

I guess the worry is it keeps identifying individuals who have outstanding unpaid taxes so would instantly face having to pay back those due taxes - or maybe Alex will strike again and somehow write the tax debt off forcing lawful tax payers to subsidise those who choose not to pay tax.

[McWigglebum4th]

Welshbeef said:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/25/scottish-p...


Interesting.

So let's just play this one out - what happens IF Holyrood reject this option to identify who is or isn't Scottish for Taxation purposes.

I guess the worry is it keeps identifying individuals who have outstanding unpaid taxes so would instantly face having to pay back those due taxes - or maybe Alex will strike again and somehow write the tax debt off forcing lawful tax payers to subsidise those who choose not to pay tax.

The deeply left wing nanny state SNP drop their plans for a ID card

no chance

[ianrb]

Welshbeef said:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/25/scottish-p...


Interesting.

So let's just play this one out - what happens IF Holyrood reject this option to identify who is or isn't Scottish for Taxation purposes.

I guess the worry is it keeps identifying individuals who have outstanding unpaid taxes so would instantly face having to pay back those due taxes - or maybe Alex will strike again and somehow write the tax debt off forcing lawful tax payers to subsidise those who choose not to pay tax.

Taken together with child welfare/named person proposal this government is starting to look disturbingly authoritarian.

And we all thought economic competence was the main cause for concern!

[McWigglebum4th]

ianrb said:

Taken together with child welfare/named person proposal this government is starting to look disturbingly authoritarian.

And we all thought economic competence was the main cause for concern!

Economic incompetence was always a secondry concern for myself

They authoritarian streak in them is HUGE and deeply concerning


And the named person is now law everyone under the age of 18 is considered a child and must be have a state registered guardian

[Edinburger]

McWigglebum4th said:

ianrb said:

Taken together with child welfare/named person proposal this government is starting to look disturbingly authoritarian.

And we all thought economic competence was the main cause for concern!

Economic incompetence was always a secondry concern for myself

They authoritarian streak in them is HUGE and deeply concerning


And the named person is now law everyone under the age of 18 is considered a child and must be have a state registered guardian

The "plans for a central identity database" which has "sparked privacy criticism" is only reported in The Guardian. Which is a bit odd.

[Einion Yrth]

Edinburger said:

McWigglebum4th said:

ianrb said:

Taken together with child welfare/named person proposal this government is starting to look disturbingly authoritarian.

And we all thought economic competence was the main cause for concern!

Economic incompetence was always a secondry concern for myself

They authoritarian streak in them is HUGE and deeply concerning


And the named person is now law everyone under the age of 18 is considered a child and must be have a state registered guardian

The "plans for a central identity database" which has "sparked privacy criticism" is only reported in The Guardian. Which is a bit odd.

Just for clarity; are you casting doubts on the veracity of the report?

[McWigglebum4th]

Edinburger said:

The "plans for a central identity database" which has "sparked privacy criticism" is only reported in The Guardian. Which is a bit odd.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-s-id-database-plan-threatens-civil-rights-1-3686521

https://scotland.openrightsgroup.org/campaigns/sto...

https://scotland.openrightsgroup.org/policy/2015/0...

http://www.libdemvoice.org/things-to-do-in-your-lu...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/w...


Yep it is a story invented by those right wing tory loving scum in the guardian

They have even hacked the scottish government website to plant a fake draft proposal

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2014/12/5990

[Strocky]

Troubleatmill said:

Glasgow's missing millions: the money pilfered by the SNP
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasg...

Most of the missing millions would be going to the labour led GCC's cronies and assorted "business men" if the past is anything to go by

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/glasg...

Edited by Strocky on Thursday 26th February 11:05