Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[spitsfire]

Excellent article in the Staggers - http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/apr/14/marktran...

"It’s a disagreeable trait of nationalist parties everywhere to seek to conflate themselves and the country they claim to speak for. Scotland is bigger than the SNP. When Alex Salmond says it’s ‘disrespectful’ to rule out any UK government being formed off the back of SNP votes, he’s at it too. It’s not disrespectful towards Scots. It is, however, perfectly reasonably, antagonistic to the SNP and the principle which motivates it"

[///ajd]

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9453802/why-an...

[///ajd]

simoid said:

Strocky said:

simoid said:

Perhaps not racist as we are the same race. What might the equivalent for nations be..?

Nationalist?

I always recall Salmond challenging the UKPM to "come up here and argue against Scotland" or words to that effect. As if you must either be on Scotland's side or the UK side. Disgusting.

If words to that effect = lies, then yes I agree

"He said this would give the Prime Minister the opportunity to “articulate a case against Scotland”, while he would make the opposing argument for independence."

Taken from "Alex Salmond wants David Cameron to make 'anti-Scottish' case in TV debate"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10...

Lies?



"Salmond said this would give the Prime Minister the opportunity to “articulate a case against Scotland”, while he would make the opposing argument for independence.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats said the intervention had “given the game away” because it showed that Mr Salmond is prepared to label anyone anti-Scottish just because they do not agree with separation.

Alistair Carmichael MP, the party’s deputy leader, attacked the First Minister’s “cheap and narrow” remark and accused him of overseeing a “nationalist witch-hunt.”

“This is the negative campaign from the nationalists which says that anyone who questions their plans is fundamentally against Scotland,” the Orkney and Shetland MP said."

This is Nationalism. This is ugly.

The SNP does not speak for Scotland.

Vote for SNP = vote for breaking up the UK. Don't vpte SNP if you want to keep the UK.

[Axionknight]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3016...

The SNP and Labour luvvies' are up to some fine tricks

[arp1]

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

[McWigglebum4th]

arp1 said:

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

if i voted NO does that mean i supported child molesting?

[McWigglebum4th]

Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is

[AstonZagato]

arp1 said:

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

Because such things can only happen in rUK?

All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others.

[Axionknight]

arp1 said:

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

That makes it perfectly OK then....

[simoid]

arp1 said:

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

Or wife beating. SNP voters in Fife voted for domestic violence, didn't they?

I don't suppose you'd like to apologise for calling me a liar now, would you?

[finnie]

agree 100%

McWigglebum4th said:

Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is

[Mojocvh]

finnie said:

agree 100%

McWigglebum4th said:

Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is

BOOM

[Zod]

McWigglebum4th said:

arp1 said:

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

if i voted NO does that mean i supported child molesting?

One idiot on the UKIP thread told me the other day that my support for the Conservatives meant that I supported "paedophile facilitators".

[Welshbeef]

finnie said:

agree 100%

McWigglebum4th said:

Nationalists


Answer this

You believe that scotland should keep all the oil money and whiskey income, as scotland earned this money and it is rightfully scotlands and it should not be spent in england to support those less fortunate to ourselves


You also believe that I who earn good money in the oil industry should give far more of my income to the state as it despite the fact i earned my income and it isn't rightfully mine, it should be used to support those less fortunate then myself



Could you please please please please explain what the difference is

Evil bedroom tax and pasty vat robbing vile Tories isn't it?

[HD Adam]

Axionknight said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3016...

The SNP and Labour luvvies' are up to some fine tricks

That's just tough st.

The Treasury makes the tax rules so it's no good moaning when somebody uses the same rules to not pay tax.

Bit like moaning about the amount of immigrants or NHS tourism when they are the ones who let them in.

[Sway]

It's not tough st if it's illegal evasion, and even if it's lawful avoidance there's a strong whiff of hypocrisy.

Not exactly an obvious or straightforward route to minimising your liabilities is it?

[Edinburger]

///ajd said:

Edinburger said:

AstonZagato said:

You'll be saying "some of my best friends are English" next.

Is that a dig at me, Aston?

I recall you sarcastically mocking when I said I work in London a lot.

Well, the truth is my wife, our kids, all if her family, many of my friends, and virtually all of my colleagues are English. And yes, I am in London for at least one day most weeks and in other regions of England, Northern Ireland and occasionally Wales regularly too.

I travel a lot within the UK with work. Travel broadens the mind

Sorry to spoil your theory.

Would you describe yourself as a Nationalist Edinburger?

That depends on how you define 'nationalist'.

If you mean do I think that the people of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland deserve political self-determination then yes - and I think that should be acheived by increased devolved powers.

Do I think that Scotland (or any other component country of the UK) should be ir would be better off independent? That answer is No.

Does that help?

[Edinburger]

Gogoplata said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Strocky said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Why should we have a separate parliment but the north of england doesn't?

Because the overwhelming majority voted against it

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_England_de...

And who says the north of england is stupid?

^This.During the Scottish independence campaign various news organisations interviewed people on the street of Newcastle (who obviously weren't at work) where they exclaimed outrage that the North should have the same because of evil Westminister, bankers, Londoners etc.

Now at the time most people thought that an extra layer of government was a waste of money and not needed which is true. But it makes me wonder how much of this is down to the financial crash that happened a few years later as people seem to have changed their mind. Had the financial crash not happened would people still not care about regional governments/independence etc?

The inference being thay are unemployed / lazy? Really??

[Edinburger]

McWigglebum4th said:

Edinburger said:

Mr Carlton makes a lot of good points.

But when i make similar points you ask about sweeties

care to disagree with his point that the SNP are hammering away on the wedge as hard as they can

You're joking about sweets, right?

What do you mean "hammering away on the wedge as hard as they can"?

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

arp1 said:

Ah well at least it's not an expenses scandal or child molesting ring....

Or wife beating. SNP voters in Fife voted for domestic violence, didn't they?

I don't suppose you'd like to apologise for calling me a liar now, would you?

Perhaps I've missed something but why do you suggest that SNP voters in Fife voted for domestic violence?