Left wingers are getting a bit scared
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turbobloke said:
XJ Flyer said:
turbobloke said:
XJ Flyer said:
sidicks said:
XJ Flyer said:
Whatever the figure it is the 0.2 increase since the government came to power which I'm referring to.
And this is despite that hugely robust and strong economy they inherited.Oh, wait....
John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
Nothing was missed, including WW2, but times had moved on.
XJ Flyer said:
It seems to be a reasonable pointer to that general economic situation.It is better to be obsessed with pointers like GDP,income levels relative to prices and trade figures because they have a lot more relevance to the health of the economy than the inflation rate in isolation.
That's exact my point - Unless I midunderstand, you seem obsessed with 'high' GDP growth but ignore the 'high' inflation that was around at the time.sidicks said:
XJ Flyer said:
It seems to be a reasonable pointer to that general economic situation.It is better to be obsessed with pointers like GDP,income levels relative to prices and trade figures because they have a lot more relevance to the health of the economy than the inflation rate in isolation.
That's exact my point - Unless I midunderstand, you seem obsessed with 'high' GDP growth but ignore the 'high' inflation that was around at the time.XJ Flyer said:
Trust me the inflation rate of the early 1970's was less of a problem,if any,than all the problems which affect the economy now.Since the structural changes in the economy from that of a Fordist industrial one to a low wage post Fordist one based on services retail and banking.With an over reliance on imports.The 'real' inflation of the 1970's only kicked off 'after' that change had been put into effect starting with our EU membership and contrary to the Con propaganda as always it being price led not wage led.The answer of the economists being to try to control it by limiting wage growth.The result being a collapse in demand and what demand there was being spent on imported goods.
You've missed the point again - presumably deliberately?sidicks said:
XJ Flyer said:
Trust me the inflation rate of the early 1970's was less of a problem,if any,than all the problems which affect the economy now.Since the structural changes in the economy from that of a Fordist industrial one to a low wage post Fordist one based on services retail and banking.With an over reliance on imports.The 'real' inflation of the 1970's only kicked off 'after' that change had been put into effect starting with our EU membership and contrary to the Con propaganda as always it being price led not wage led.The answer of the economists being to try to control it by limiting wage growth.The result being a collapse in demand and what demand there was being spent on imported goods.
You've missed the point again - presumably deliberately?Unlike the structural problems in the economy since and to date which I've described.
turbobloke said:
The Golden Legacy applies to the Blair Brown inheritance, nothing else.
John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
almost agreed until you brought up lamont . what,s not to love about black wednesday.John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
wc98 said:
turbobloke said:
The Golden Legacy applies to the Blair Brown inheritance, nothing else.
John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
almost agreed until you brought up lamont . what,s not to love about black wednesday.John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
sidicks said:
crankedup said:
'they got to influence some policy areas'. More half truths, the Lib-Dems have also introduced lower taxation levels via personal allowance before tax. They have also provided a very important brake upon the worst excesses of the Tories.
That seems to be a very vague and highly subjective claim...The LibDems have provided dead weight that held back Conservative policies which even in dilute form have led to sustained economic recovery while ignoring the predilections of 'guru' Vince, who is, they say, lined up to star as Pod in a City-based remake of The Borrowers.
DJRC said:
crankedup said:
sidicks said:
crankedup said:
'they got to influence some policy areas'. More half truths, the Lib-Dems have also introduced lower taxation levels via personal allowance before tax. They have also provided a very important brake upon the worst excesses of the Tories.
That seems to be a very vague and highly subjective claim...Or alternately you can ask some Tories for their POV on the matter, you will find its a fact that on balance the Lib-Dems moderated or halted many of the Tory policy proposals, thankfully.
As far as I can see the majority of the Tory party and the electorate don't seem to regard CMD as Tory! Just a random posh boy with no real Tory ideology. Or as the most cynical say no ideology at all.
turbobloke said:
wc98 said:
turbobloke said:
The Golden Legacy applies to the Blair Brown inheritance, nothing else.
John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
almost agreed until you brought up lamont . what,s not to love about black wednesday.John Major’s two chancellors Lamont and Clarke took the country out of the deep recession of the early 1990s. By the time snake oil sales rose dramatically in 1997 employment was rising, growth was stable, and the deficit was well under control. Incapability Brown inherited what was without doubt the most benign economic picture for any government at any time in the last century. It took Gordo only 4 years to get back to exercising Labour's incompetent economic organ. What a wnaker.
crankedup said:
Most of the Tories are over puffed wealthy chappies that have zero sense of real world life. In fairness at least the P.M. has had a stab at going to work for a brief period of time.
At least wealthy Tories have often earned it in business first.In Labour's case, it is lifetime politicans, or are you jusfiying Ed Miliband's brief post-grad role as a TV researcher as real world life experience?
crankedup said:
Most of the Tories are over puffed wealthy chappies that have zero sense of real world life. In fairness at least the P.M. has had a stab at going to work for a brief period of time.
Please tell us how many Tory MPs you have met? Given that there are more than 300 of 'em, can you perhaps flesh out your experience with at least 200 Conservative MPs that would qualify you to make such a claim? 
crankedup said:
Most of the Tories are over puffed wealthy chappies that have zero sense of real world life. In fairness at least the P.M. has had a stab at going to work for a brief period of time.
Wow. Just wow. Just like most Labour supporters live up north, have a whippet and play in a brass band at the weekends and think about their dad who worked down in't pits.
What cobblers.
crankedup said:
Your quite right of course, I very cleverly omitted the use of words 'the front bench' 
. Is this the section where I say 'as you were chaps'.
Quicker than rats up a drainpipe with the responses.
Talk crap, expect a quick response.. Is this the section where I say 'as you were chaps'.Quicker than rats up a drainpipe with the responses.
Edited by crankedup on Monday 29th September 14:04
loafer123 said:
crankedup said:
Most of the Tories are over puffed wealthy chappies that have zero sense of real world life. In fairness at least the P.M. has had a stab at going to work for a brief period of time.
At least wealthy Tories have often earned it in business first.In Labour's case, it is lifetime politicans, or are you jusfiying Ed Miliband's brief post-grad role as a TV researcher as real world life experience?
eccles said:
loafer123 said:
crankedup said:
Most of the Tories are over puffed wealthy chappies that have zero sense of real world life. In fairness at least the P.M. has had a stab at going to work for a brief period of time.
At least wealthy Tories have often earned it in business first.In Labour's case, it is lifetime politicans, or are you jusfiying Ed Miliband's brief post-grad role as a TV researcher as real world life experience?
crankedup said:
DJRC said:
crankedup said:
sidicks said:
crankedup said:
'they got to influence some policy areas'. More half truths, the Lib-Dems have also introduced lower taxation levels via personal allowance before tax. They have also provided a very important brake upon the worst excesses of the Tories.
That seems to be a very vague and highly subjective claim...Or alternately you can ask some Tories for their POV on the matter, you will find its a fact that on balance the Lib-Dems moderated or halted many of the Tory policy proposals, thankfully.
As far as I can see the majority of the Tory party and the electorate don't seem to regard CMD as Tory! Just a random posh boy with no real Tory ideology. Or as the most cynical say no ideology at all.
Is knowledge as opposed to "what I think but don't really know nor can be bothered to find out" really so little prized now?
But hey f
k it, the rest of the country seems to be happy enough getting by on ignorance, perception and bias so rock on.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff