Hong kong protests - Huge
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souper said:
Seems live shots now fired. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-498914...
I found this site on youtube is mainly streamed live
HK Apple Daily https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNllwKr9tYY
Having seen the video. it appears the police offer shot at point blank range! this is gonna get ugly fast at this rate.I found this site on youtube is mainly streamed live
HK Apple Daily https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNllwKr9tYY
Jordan210 said:
Having seen the video. it appears the police offer shot at point blank range! this is gonna get ugly fast at this rate.
Are you suppressed?It was only a matter of time
I don’t know what went on with the shooting mentioned above weather is was justified or not. but they have been pretty restrained so far. Surprisingly.
Contrary to popular belief it is ok to defend yourself. But I don’t know if that’s what happen with the shot guy.
El stovey said:
That’s totally out of hand now. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Chinese get directly involved soon if this keeps up.
Clearly that is what the Chinese want. Having a few beers with an expat pilot mate last week who lives in HK, said the Extradition Bill was to legalise what the Chinese Government had been up to for years. The visa rejection of the Financial Times editor due to moderated of a forum at the Foreign Correspondents Club was seen was seen as a big step up by Beijing to speed up the integration timeline.In the sleepy parts of HK, there is no protests or problems, but he said when they see it kick off there, it is time to pack the cases and get out.
I'm seeing this stuff all over FB. I've kept out of it as no doubt I'll be labelled a fascist. So these protesters are having a fine old time trashing everything - eg. the train station. For what?
Then they're all there in helmets and masks, wielding big sticks and lobbing petrol bombs at armed police. I've watched that video. On what planet is the police reaction to firing wrong? Reminds me of these antifa d
heads - it's all fun and games bullying people and playing plastic anarchist until someone gets their head kicked in, then they're all crying into their moccachino.
Darwinism in action.
Personally I hope the Chinese do crack down and uphold the rule of law.
Then they're all there in helmets and masks, wielding big sticks and lobbing petrol bombs at armed police. I've watched that video. On what planet is the police reaction to firing wrong? Reminds me of these antifa d
heads - it's all fun and games bullying people and playing plastic anarchist until someone gets their head kicked in, then they're all crying into their moccachino.Darwinism in action.
Personally I hope the Chinese do crack down and uphold the rule of law.
Ayahuasca said:
Could the Chinese be stoking up the anti-Chinese protesters to provide the excuse they need?
My feeling is that they’d rather the Hong Kong police handled it but they’ve got their limits on what they’ll accept. It’s pretty sad to see. The Hong Kong police aren’t some fascist police force, they’re a proud organisation that many expats have worked for over the years.
The protesters beef is with the decisions of some of the pro China elements of the Hong Kong government, particularly a plan (now withdrawn) to allow extradition of Hong Kong people to China and it’s now become a push for wider democracy.
For anyone that doesn’t know, Hong Kong is in an odd 50 year agreement period between being a British colony and fully controlled by China, they’ve got a degree of autonomy in certain areas but as seen above, with the extradition plan, it’s sometimes made obvious that China is actually in charge.
The Hong Kong police are then left with trying to restore law and order. Seeing them (who are Hong Kongers too) attacked like this is looks more like civil war sometimes than a fight for democracy. I doubt the Hong Kong police want to be part of China any more than the people protesting.
I imagine the Hong Kong police are desperate to get things under control before they’re replaced by the People's Liberation Army or something similar wearing different clothes.
Pesty said:
Are you suppressed?
It was only a matter of time
I don’t know what went on with the shooting mentioned above weather is was justified or not. but they have been pretty restrained so far. Surprisingly.
Contrary to popular belief it is ok to defend yourself. But I don’t know if that’s what happen with the shot guy....
Footage shown on Newsnight suggested the policeman was cornered by a number of punchy people and the guy who was shot had just been setting about him with a bar of some sort. In the circumstances I suspect I'd have used the weapon too.It was only a matter of time
I don’t know what went on with the shooting mentioned above weather is was justified or not. but they have been pretty restrained so far. Surprisingly.
Contrary to popular belief it is ok to defend yourself. But I don’t know if that’s what happen with the shot guy....
Expat mate of mine who lives over there said to me a little while ago that he thought the protestors were taking it too far. It originally started out over the "repatriation"/"extradition" law change and they won that argument. He was quite surprised at that, but felt pushing it well beyond that was misplaced and would end badly for them.
It's hard not to agree. They seem to be playing into the hands of the Chinese government if the latter's motives were nefarious.
I love HK. Sad to see it going like this, but I guess this sort of problem was always waiting in the wings. At some point the 2-systems thing would have to peter out and that would lead to tensions with those who do not want to be part of China. I suspect this might see the 2-systems idea come to an end quicker than originally planned...am slightly surprised by China though as HK always seemed like a bit of a golden goose.
Murph7355 said:
Footage shown on Newsnight suggested the policeman was cornered by a number of punchy people and the guy who was shot had just been setting about him with a bar of some sort. In the circumstances I suspect I'd have used the weapon too.
A few seconds after the copper shoots the lad, a fire bomb pretty much hits to the police too. Not quite sure what's expected of the police.
I have parents in law, brothers and sisters in law and their children in HK. I spent four happy months there a few years ago.
On the face of it, a great place, very safe, especially for women. Work hard, play hard.
Scratch the surface however and it's much more complicated. You can add the triads into the mix of HK locals, recent Chinese influx, Police, etc.
Then you have the pretty outrageous Filipino work conditions/regulations.
China appears to find light touch control difficult, but equally some would argue that it has been restrained when compared to their own domestic norm.
Hard to see how it is going to be put back into the bottle now though.
On the face of it, a great place, very safe, especially for women. Work hard, play hard.
Scratch the surface however and it's much more complicated. You can add the triads into the mix of HK locals, recent Chinese influx, Police, etc.
Then you have the pretty outrageous Filipino work conditions/regulations.
China appears to find light touch control difficult, but equally some would argue that it has been restrained when compared to their own domestic norm.
Hard to see how it is going to be put back into the bottle now though.
I received the above spam email yesterday which is quite interesting.
It's all very sad. Whether it's being orchestrated nefariously from Beijing or whether it's Hong Kongers genuinely protesting in the end there will be only one winner, and the rest of the world will not do a thing as the PLA flood in and quash all dissent.
I have lots of sympathy for HK locals and their frustrations, however the rioting is out of control. If a large group chases a policeman and attacks him with metal rods and a hammer it's fair to say that getting shot shouldn't come as a surprise. Anyone of reasonable mind would be in genuine fear of their life in this situation.
Ultimately this will come to an end one way or another. The city will rebuild but will never be the same.
The living conditions for many in HK are a big part of the problem. The housing people are forced into is nothing short of criminal, especially for a rich city. There is a massive housing issue, the young stay outside until the early hours to avoid going home to tiny shared spaces and the majority have little hope of renting their own homes, let alone buying one.
Hong Kong coffin homes
Hong Kong cage homes
Ultimately this will come to an end one way or another. The city will rebuild but will never be the same.
The living conditions for many in HK are a big part of the problem. The housing people are forced into is nothing short of criminal, especially for a rich city. There is a massive housing issue, the young stay outside until the early hours to avoid going home to tiny shared spaces and the majority have little hope of renting their own homes, let alone buying one.
Hong Kong coffin homes
Hong Kong cage homes
Taxi driver just drove into a large group of protestors (looks like Wan Chai), got pulled out and beaten unconscious in the street. It did appear that his taxi was getting smashed beforehand, perhaps he panicked?
Really don’t see how this situation can possibly de-escalate now.
NSFW: HK taxi plows into protestors
Really don’t see how this situation can possibly de-escalate now.
NSFW: HK taxi plows into protestors
justice. said:
Taxi driver just drove into a large group of protestors (looks like Wan Chai), got pulled out and beaten unconscious in the street. It did appear that his taxi was getting smashed beforehand, perhaps he panicked?
Really don’t see how this situation can possibly de-escalate now.
NSFW: HK taxi plows into protestors
There was another clip on the news last week of a car going (slowly) through a blockade and the protestors trying to get the occupants out of the car.Really don’t see how this situation can possibly de-escalate now.
NSFW: HK taxi plows into protestors
This is not going to end well for the protestors.
Art of War hat on, but the easiest thing for China to do is stand back and let the public turn against the protestors. Businesses forced to close? Sky-high rent still due, salaries still due. Taxis unable to drive? Taxi rent still due, home rent still due, families to feed etc.
The non-protestors will only be able to take the squeeze for so long before they put self survival above all else. Understandably.
ETA: This could be ominous. A warning flag displayed at the PLA barracks along with an “all consequences are at your own risk” verbal warning. I think the protestors know pushing the PLA into action is a deadly move.
The non-protestors will only be able to take the squeeze for so long before they put self survival above all else. Understandably.
ETA: This could be ominous. A warning flag displayed at the PLA barracks along with an “all consequences are at your own risk” verbal warning. I think the protestors know pushing the PLA into action is a deadly move.
Edited by justice. on Monday 7th October 11:59
Perfect example of the growing mood of the older and perhaps wiser locals at the moment.
70 year old frustration with HK protestors
70 year old frustration with HK protestors
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