Osbourne Announces Benefit Changes for manifesto
Discussion
Mojocvh said:
Just amazing how out of touch these "people" really are.
Do the Tory faithful understand that they have just handed the GE contest over to Liarbour and the UKIP?
Not at all, I prefer politicians to have principles and values which they live up to, rather than saying anything to get elected.Do the Tory faithful understand that they have just handed the GE contest over to Liarbour and the UKIP?
Daily Mail headline:
"Ten MILLION families to lose £500 under Osborne plan to freeze benefits for two years as he unveils £25billion in extra cuts"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773427/To...
Does CMD realise there's a election next year?
"Ten MILLION families to lose £500 under Osborne plan to freeze benefits for two years as he unveils £25billion in extra cuts"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2773427/To...
Does CMD realise there's a election next year?
otolith said:
How many people on benefits were going to vote for them anyway?
What do you mean by benefits?Unemployment, state pension, working family tax credits, child benefit, etc.
A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.
There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.
The politics are great, at very turn Balls and Miliband will have Conservatives asking them how will there policy reduce spending? What will they say?
Finally work must pay, you cannot have benefits rising faster than pay.
The politics are great, at very turn Balls and Miliband will have Conservatives asking them how will there policy reduce spending? What will they say?
Finally work must pay, you cannot have benefits rising faster than pay.
Fittster said:
otolith said:
How many people on benefits were going to vote for them anyway?
What do you mean by benefits?Unemployment, state pension, working family tax credits, child benefit, etc.
A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.
Fittster said:
And these freezes will also be applied to state pensions?
Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.
If we're going to turn it into an old v young fight then bring it on.Lets have the interest rates of the Thatcher years so the old can live on their hard earn't savings instead of the Cons using negative interest rates as a form of housing benefit for young house buyers.The 13.8% of 1985 would do fine.Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.
Gargamel said:
There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.
The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensionersWhy do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.
If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.
XJ Flyer said:
Fittster said:
And these freezes will also be applied to state pensions?
Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.
If we're going to turn it into an old v young fight then bring it on.Lets have the interest rates of the Thatcher years so the old can live on their hard earn't savings instead of the Cons using negative interest rates as a form of housing benefit for young house buyers.The 13.8% of 1985 would do fineLooks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.
Fittster said:
Gargamel said:
There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.
The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensionersWhy do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.
If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.
Fittster said:
XJ Flyer said:
Fittster said:
And these freezes will also be applied to state pensions?
Looks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.
If we're going to turn it into an old v young fight then bring it on.Lets have the interest rates of the Thatcher years so the old can live on their hard earn't savings instead of the Cons using negative interest rates as a form of housing benefit for young house buyers.The 13.8% of 1985 would do fineLooks like the tory party desperately trying to protected its dying electoral base from any pain.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Monday 29th September 19:03
Fittster said:
The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners
Why do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.
If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.
So your idea is to continue borrowing huge amounts forever because you can't be bothered to pay it off ?Why do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.
If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.
Why don't we just haul Brown back in then ? because 2008 was a right barrel of laughs wasn't it ?
Fittster said:
A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.
Which is exactly the problem!We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.
sidicks said:
Which is exactly the problem!
We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.
Exactly, cutting benefits, reducing the size of government, providing lower taxation and freeing people from dependency on a fickle public sector policy are all core Conservative values. We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.
sidicks said:
Fittster said:
A very high percentage of the population gets something from the state, and unless you are some wacky libertarian party you want some of them to vote for you.
Which is exactly the problem!We tax people earning minimum wage and then have to give money back to them through benefits. It makes no sense.
The fact is this country is going the way of Greece.
XJ Flyer said:
Fittster said:
Gargamel said:
There are 30m people working, we want lower taxes. We need to cut there deficit.
The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensionersWhy do we need to cut the deficit? The gilt market doesn't show any sign of your concern.
If you want to worry about something you might try and focus on the UK poor productivity and high unemployment levels that are behind the deficit. Although maybe we would all blame White Dee.
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