UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Scuffers said:
seems to me you are exactly the kind of person this comment was aimed at.
I want people to vote on the REAL issues/policies, I don't mind if that's Labour/Lib/Tory/UKIP/Green/whatever, so long as it's on their actual real policies not made up s
t from the MSM or random st off ttter.
This country is far from being in good shape, we have BIG problems with a ever growing national debt, huge balance of payments imbalance, rapidly increasing population, the NHS about to fall apart, etc etc and you're going on about irrelevant tosh.
It's not irrelevant though-the perception of our politicians matter, they represent us on a national and international stage and when they are careless with their words or say controversial things it matters!!I want people to vote on the REAL issues/policies, I don't mind if that's Labour/Lib/Tory/UKIP/Green/whatever, so long as it's on their actual real policies not made up s
t from the MSM or random st off ttter.This country is far from being in good shape, we have BIG problems with a ever growing national debt, huge balance of payments imbalance, rapidly increasing population, the NHS about to fall apart, etc etc and you're going on about irrelevant tosh.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th December 17:18
cookie118 said:
It's not irrelevant though-the perception of our politicians matter, they represent us on a national and international stage and when they are careless with their words or say controversial things it matters!!
That's the point though, they are only controversial when they're missquoted and sprouted on about by the Msm And would you rather be represented by farage and Boris or Mr cleggy or milliband?
I would suggest Boris has done more to promote the UK than anybody in politics of late...
Scuffers said:
That's the point though, they are only controversial when they're missquoted and sprouted on about by the Msm
I wonder what Rozanne Duncan said in the BBC documentary that caused her to be expelled from the party? Hard to put it down to misrepresentation as the documentary hasn't been broadcast yet.RYH64E said:
Scuffers said:
That's the point though, they are only controversial when they're missquoted and sprouted on about by the Msm
I wonder what Rozanne Duncan said in the BBC documentary that caused her to be expelled from the party? Hard to put it down to misrepresentation as the documentary hasn't been broadcast yet.Did she promote the systematic sexual abuse of 1,200+ children?
Scuffers said:
That's the point though, they are only controversial when they're missquoted and sprouted on about by the Msm
Farage said:"I think that young, able women who are prepared to sacrifice the family life and stick with their careers do as well, if not better, than men."
UKIP candidate said
"I think if black people come to this country and don't like mixing with white people why are they here? If he (Henry) wants a lot of blacks around go and live in a black country."
These are direct quotes from UKIP members, not extraoplations by the press.
Scuffers said:
No idea?
Did she promote the systematic sexual abuse of 1,200+ children?
Maybe, the press haven't reported the facts yet. In guessing it was pretty outrageous though because it got her expelled pretty damn quick. Of course it could have been something sensible but unacceptable such as 'Instead of moaning about the eu why don't we make the most of the free trade opportunities it offers'.Did she promote the systematic sexual abuse of 1,200+ children?
cookie118 said:
Scuffers said:
That's the point though, they are only controversial when they're missquoted and sprouted on about by the Msm
Farage said:"I think that young, able women who are prepared to sacrifice the family life and stick with their careers do as well, if not better, than men."
UKIP candidate said
"I think if black people come to this country and don't like mixing with white people why are they here? If he (Henry) wants a lot of blacks around go and live in a black country."
These are direct quotes from UKIP members, not extraoplations by the press.
The second one was not clever, twas, however, in response to a comment by Lenny Henry, but i bet you can't quote that?
cookie118 said:
Scuffers said:
the other problem seems to be with young women that seem even more stupid and easily lead than the rest of us.
Errm-You do know that UKIP want to scrap maternity pay? So young women are not going to vote for UKIP if they fancy a career.Oh and several party members have made rather disturbing comments on rape.
Sounds just like the party for your daughters?
The whole "several party members have made racist comments/complimented Hitler/condoned genocide/fondled girls bicycle seats" schtick is really old; if you think there aren't any members of any of the other parties who have uttered something reprehensible/vile//illegal/actionable, you're in fantasy land. UKIP have no monopoly on nutters, it's just the press have no interest in looking for them elsewhere for reasons of ratings, circulation or plain old bias.
Scuffers said:
What's wrong with what farage said there?
The second one was not clever, twas, however, in response to a comment by Lenny Henry, but i bet you can't quote that?
What is wrong is that Farage is saying that women must choose between a family or a career. Why can't they have both-like men can?The second one was not clever, twas, however, in response to a comment by Lenny Henry, but i bet you can't quote that?
I can't find the exact quote but here's the transcript of his speech-if you could point it out to me?
http://www.televisual.com/blog-detail/Lenny-Henry-...
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
Can you not read?
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....
Oh I have read them, have you?http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....
Try doing a word search on that page for "Investment" - no hits
Suggestions of investment in roads? None
Railways? Stop HS2
Air travel? None
High-speed broadband? None
Economy? Some tinkering with personal allowances and tax rates (mostly following inflation) and proposal for flat rate corporation tax that hasn't been thought through so it has to be studied.
Essentially the UKIP policy for investment and the economy is "leave the EU" and debts will be magically eliminated and everyone will live happily ever after
I know this is panto season, but I would like to see more than Jack and his magic bean.
So where are these UKIP policies on investment and infrastructure (apart from scrapping HS2)
And before you ask:
Tories have committed money to road-building, HS2, rolling out High-Speed broadband. As they continue beyond 2015, they obviously will form part of their manifesto.
UKIP will scrap HS2. Not a comprehensive investment strategy, is it?
cookie118 said:
What is wrong is that Farage is saying that women must choose between a family or a career. Why can't they have both-like men can?
So is the problem that someone is brave/stupid enough to state the obvious, or the world facts of life?'Why can't they have both-like men can?'
well of course they CAN have it exactly the same as men, but I think you are asking something different.
I dont want to put words into your mouth so perhaps you could clarify what you think women really want.
JustAnotherLogin said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
Can you not read?
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....
Oh I have read them, have you?http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
Must have already been posted 50+ times so far....
Try doing a word search on that page for "Investment" - no hits
Suggestions of investment in roads? None
Railways? Stop HS2
Air travel? None
High-speed broadband? None
Economy? Some tinkering with personal allowances and tax rates (mostly following inflation) and proposal for flat rate corporation tax that hasn't been thought through so it has to be studied.
Essentially the UKIP policy for investment and the economy is "leave the EU" and debts will be magically eliminated and everyone will live happily ever after
I know this is panto season, but I would like to see more than Jack and his magic bean.
So where are these UKIP policies on investment and infrastructure (apart from scrapping HS2)
And before you ask:
Tories have committed money to road-building, HS2, rolling out High-Speed broadband. As they continue beyond 2015, they obviously will form part of their manifesto.
UKIP will scrap HS2. Not a comprehensive investment strategy, is it?
hidetheelephants said:
Just to play devil's avocado for a minute, wouldn't this policy actually make women a more attractive hire, career or otherwise, given there would be no wage burden if they later become pregnant? I suspect a lot of SMEs think twice about hiring women for this reason, proportionally it's a much bigger hit for them than it is for large corporations to have to find an extra wage.
Some advice from this is money:But you can claim most of this back from the government – and may even be able to claim a little extra compensation back for the admin involved.
All employers can claim back at least 92 per cent of the maternity pay given to employees.
But employees who paid less than £45,000 in Class 1 National Insurance Contributions last year – likely to be small business owners like you – can actually claim back 103 per cent of the maternity pay.
It doesn't appear on the surface to be too much of a cost-the majority can be reclaimed according to the above. There would be a cashflow issue but the money itself appears to be relaimable. If it can be nearly/all reclaimed I don't see that it'd make them more employable?
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th December 20:18
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th December 20:18
hidetheelephants said:
Just to play devil's avocado for a minute, wouldn't this policy actually make women a more attractive hire, career or otherwise, given there would be no wage burden if they later become pregnant? I suspect a lot of SMEs think twice about hiring women for this reason, proportionally it's a much bigger hit for them than it is for large corporations to have to find an extra wage.
In my experience of employing women, the young ones get pregnant, the old ones (over 40) have plumbing problems and generally fall apart, and most of them are mad. But I can say that because I'm not a politician, if I was a politician I'd think it but wouldn't be stupid enough to say it.NicD said:
cookie118 said:
What is wrong is that Farage is saying that women must choose between a family or a career. Why can't they have both-like men can?
So is the problem that someone is brave/stupid enough to state the obvious, or the world facts of life?'Why can't they have both-like men can?'
well of course they CAN have it exactly the same as men, but I think you are asking something different.
I dont want to put words into your mouth so perhaps you could clarify what you think women really want.
Men are able to have their own family and a career with no income disadvantage so why can't women do the same?
I'd imagine that women would want to be paid based on the job they do and not their gender unlike currently (the vagina tax as sarah silverman elegantly puts it), and to not be judged like this:
RYH64E said:
In my experience of employing women, the young ones get pregnant, the old ones (over 40) have plumbing problems and generally fall apart, and most of them are mad.
cookie118 said:
NicD said:
cookie118 said:
What is wrong is that Farage is saying that women must choose between a family or a career. Why can't they have both-like men can?
So is the problem that someone is brave/stupid enough to state the obvious, or the world facts of life?'Why can't they have both-like men can?'
well of course they CAN have it exactly the same as men, but I think you are asking something different.
I dont want to put words into your mouth so perhaps you could clarify what you think women really want.
Men are able to have their own family and a career with no income disadvantage so why can't women do the same?
I'd imagine that women would want to be paid based on the job they do and not their gender unlike currently (the vagina tax as sarah silverman elegantly puts it), and to not be judged like this:
RYH64E said:
In my experience of employing women, the young ones get pregnant, the old ones (over 40) have plumbing problems and generally fall apart, and most of them are mad.
The only way it can make sense is to say something like:
'woman who take time off work to have children or look after them for what ever reason should be assisted and not disadvantaged and should be treated as if it had never happened or was never likely to'
Now, as a modern and forward thinking society, we have gone somewhere along the line to legislate this.
But we are allowed to state the bleeding obvious.
NicD said:
Are you thinking about this? I have not got the time to do justice to it all.
The only way it can make sense is to say something like:
'woman who take time off work to have children or look after them for what ever reason should be assisted and not disadvantaged and should be treated as if it had never happened or was never likely to'
Now, as a modern and forward thinking society, we have gone somewhere along the line to legislate this.
But we are allowed to state the bleeding obvious.
I agree with the statement in quotes. I think it disagrees with Farage's statement that women must sacrifice the family life to have a good career.The only way it can make sense is to say something like:
'woman who take time off work to have children or look after them for what ever reason should be assisted and not disadvantaged and should be treated as if it had never happened or was never likely to'
Now, as a modern and forward thinking society, we have gone somewhere along the line to legislate this.
But we are allowed to state the bleeding obvious.
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