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MrBarry123 said:
98elise said:
MrBarry123 said:
I remember this story when it was first released and hate it even more now.
Every part of me wants to see him released however there's a niggling inside me that says he should be punished.
Read the transcript and see if you still think he should be released.Every part of me wants to see him released however there's a niggling inside me that says he should be punished.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/roy...
They knew he was alive, and we're actively trying to cover what they were doing, even discussing what would look too obvious.
However my head says he should be serve his jail time... Instead of just letting the Taliban bloke die, he let his emotions get the better of him. It's blatantly obvious that he knew the bloke was still (probably just) alive so it was, for all intents and purpose, an execution. I agree that making the excuse that he thought he was already dead is farcical and untrue.
I respect the decision however I'm not particularly comfortable with it.
Do you think its ok for the other side to execute our troops? If not then its not ok for us to do the same.
This thread is full of ex-forces (me included) who do not agree with what he did. Many have been in exactly the same type of situations yet can act as the professional soldiers they are.
Hes a disgrace to his uniform as well as being a criminal.
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Will only serve 8. I do feel sorry for him. It was poor judgement but can not be excused. It would have been better if this did not come to light but once the story broke, the right thing had to be done.
Knowing someone is going to die is not a valid reason to summarily execute them.
Will only serve 8. I do feel sorry for him. It was poor judgement but can not be excused. It would have been better if this did not come to light but once the story broke, the right thing had to be done.
Knowing someone is going to die is not a valid reason to summarily execute them.
Having read the transcript, it sounds like they could have got away with it if they had thought a bit more about what they were doing. Switch off the cameras, wait until they weren't being watched from above and subtly strangle him with a hand round his throat. Recording it, and shooting him in the chest, was probably part of their downfall. Unless the observation balloon was watching the whole time, of course.
Rovinghawk said:
We think we're better than them. Consequently, we have to act better than them.
I wonder how you would act if you see your men being killed in action, would you still have the stiff upper lip?Red mist can happen very easy, yes what he did was wrong, but not worth jail time.
Excellent, "a painstaking Mail investigation". Just what I'd want on my side...
I think it's a stretch to think 'diminished responsibility' or 'loss of control' would apply here, to reduce murder to manslaughter. The problem the marine has is the planning, consideration and time it took to carry out the act. Claiming he thought the chap was dead and then shot him also reduces his credibility.
No one wants to see a serving soldier jailed when operating in such a horrific environment and circumstances, but there has to be a line somewhere. A line he crossed.
I think it's a stretch to think 'diminished responsibility' or 'loss of control' would apply here, to reduce murder to manslaughter. The problem the marine has is the planning, consideration and time it took to carry out the act. Claiming he thought the chap was dead and then shot him also reduces his credibility.
No one wants to see a serving soldier jailed when operating in such a horrific environment and circumstances, but there has to be a line somewhere. A line he crossed.
Baryonyx said:
Recording it, and shooting him in the chest, was probably part of their downfall.
Recording it was the complete downfall. It was apparently discovered by the regular police who were investigating something else, and the handed to the military police. eatcustard said:
Rovinghawk said:
We think we're better than them. Consequently, we have to act better than them.
I wonder how you would act if you see your men being killed in action, would you still have the stiff upper lip?Red mist can happen very easy, yes what he did was wrong, but not worth jail time.
Absolute lowlife scum who deserves everything he got
eatcustard said:
Rovinghawk said:
We think we're better than them. Consequently, we have to act better than them.
I wonder how you would act if you see your men being killed in action, would you still have the stiff upper lip?Red mist can happen very easy, yes what he did was wrong, but not worth jail time.
If you flick back through this thread, you'll see what serving and ex-serving members think, and they tend to disagree with you.
Ayahuasca said:
Utterly disgraceful that his legal defence was compromised to increase the odds of conviction.
Where did that happen? I often wonder where people get ideas from and taking superficial statements from a biased news paper at face value and believing them as fact obviously contributes to it. [/quote]
We have no idea if the guy would live or die. If you read the transcript its pretty clear that it was an execution.
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Errrm the Apache fired 132 rounds into the field some of which hit the snackbar, The Pilot/Gunner felt no one would survive that. The Marines went to see what was left. They found said snackbar in the last moments of his life. He was not going to make it.
Still he was not dead when he was shot by the Marine. That's the issue. Had they not gone to look for him he was still going to die.
I have no idea what the gun on the front of an Apache is but I am pretty sure its the f
kin leathal kind, the sort used to kill really big things lots of them very fast. So I am guessing a soft human getting hit by it is going to turn to mush fairly quickly.Edited by Gecko1978 on Friday 11th September 14:41
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