Done Better than Expected - That will be £1.7bn then - WTF!
Discussion
McWigglebum4th said:
This bothers me
As he actually believes we are dumb enough to fall for this
He knows we're dumb enough to fall for it. The "act tough, sell the country out at every opportunity" tactic had been standard Tory operating procedure for decades.As he actually believes we are dumb enough to fall for this
At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
Four Litre said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I find Camerons "hardman" language interesting
He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
Exactly what I understood from that. There wasnt a word of "I'm not paying this bill" it was "Im not paying this bill on time!" - So day after the 1st Dec then!!!He sayes that the UK will not pay the bill by the first of december
It is the time frame that i find grabbing my intention
When i get a large and completely unjustifiable bill i say i am not paying it
I never say i will not pay it by date X
We are going to pay this £1.7billion just on the instalment plan
When this gets paid, Cameron is (burnt) toast and UKIP support with surge.
Beati Dogu said:
He knows we're dumb enough to fall for it. The "act tough, sell the country out at every opportunity" tactic had been standard Tory operating procedure for decades.
At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
^ This and that applied wether it was Heath or Thatcher.At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
How quickly the lessons from "Yes Prime Minister".
Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
Tyre Tread said:
How quickly the lessons from "Yes Prime Minister".
Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
It's the same scenario as his last spat with Joncker. The following day they were high-fiving and blowing kisses at each other.Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
Tough talk is easy.
Tyre Tread said:
How quickly the lessons from "Yes Prime Minister".
Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
The one fly in the ointment is Farage, and his straight talking common sense.Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
"Why, wouldn't it be a shame if some fanatic 'knocked him off? Sure he's the backbone of that whole damn UKIP thing....."
I can just see that thought go through a few political power broker's minds, although naturally, that's never been done by upstanding governments or their respective departments, not even when there's billions of euros at stake, and they'd be out of power, and perhaps even revealed, why no, never, of course not....
smegmore said:
Tyre Tread said:
How quickly the lessons from "Yes Prime Minister".
Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
It's the same scenario as his last spat with Joncker. The following day they were high-fiving and blowing kisses at each other.Cameron disparately needs a boost in the polls. Sets up this situation with his Euro mates so he can act the hard man and win respect and votes. He will be seen to tell thye rest of europe to go hand themselves for the money.
The pay off is he will pay it after the election.
Any bets?
Tough talk is easy.
They were talking about this on LBC this morning, and were saying this has more to do with the Rochester by election and politics, the amount requested cannot be a surprise to the treasury or number 10 and is based on the same formula that Thatcher negotiated, if we don't pay there is a big risk that the EU ask for the rebate back, we may also be asked to state why we have been repeatedly understating our GDP.
Adrian W said:
They were talking about this on LBC this morning, and were saying this has more to do with the Rochester by election and politics, the amount requested cannot be a surprise to the treasury or number 10 and is based on the same formula that Thatcher negotiated, if we don't pay there is a big risk that the EU ask for the rebate back, we may also be asked to state why we have been repeatedly understating our GDP.
The problem is actually a much more recent change in the way that GDP is calculated ( rigged ) no surprise in favour of making the government's economic policies look better than they are.The 'changes' were already the subject of a warning by the ONS that they would affect our EU contribution calculations.The choice is now simply are we prepared to accept the continuing throwing away billions of pounds,this surcharge just being a part,or dump the project by withdrawing.'Withdrawing' in this case also meaning telling the EU to get stuffed no more money and if that involves trade sanctions then we impose trade sanctions in retaliation in a trade war which we can't possibly lose in a situation where they sell more to us than we sell to them. Edited by XJ Flyer on Tuesday 28th October 13:24
Wikipedia said:
The European Economic Community (EEC) was an international organization created by the Treaty of Rome of 1957.[1]
Its aim was to bring about economic integration, including a common market, among its six founding members: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. The EEC was also known as the Common Market in the English-speaking world and sometimes referred to as the European Community even before it was officially renamed as such in 1993.
It gained a common set of institutions along with the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM) as one of the European Communities under the 1965 Merger Treaty (Treaty of Brussels).
Upon the entry into force of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) to reflect that it covered a wider range of policy. This was also when the three European Communities, including the EC, were collectively made to constitute the first of the three pillars of the European Union (EU), which the treaty also founded. The EC existed in this form until it was abolished by the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon
We joined the EEC late in 1973, to allow us to trade with Europe without issue. France vetoed us on a number of occasions before we got in, as our inclusion diluted their own control and they (DeGaulle) were scared of our relationship with the US.Its aim was to bring about economic integration, including a common market, among its six founding members: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. The EEC was also known as the Common Market in the English-speaking world and sometimes referred to as the European Community even before it was officially renamed as such in 1993.
It gained a common set of institutions along with the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM) as one of the European Communities under the 1965 Merger Treaty (Treaty of Brussels).
Upon the entry into force of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) to reflect that it covered a wider range of policy. This was also when the three European Communities, including the EC, were collectively made to constitute the first of the three pillars of the European Union (EU), which the treaty also founded. The EC existed in this form until it was abolished by the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon
Without that membership at the time, our economy would have suffered as Germany and France would have frozen the UK out of european community commercial contracts and also 'could' have used EEC powers to tax uk imports to member countries.
It all looks to have gone wrong in 1993, when the unelected bureaucrats were given more power and the accounts stopped balancing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487670/Au...
This is the problem,
The EEC unelected civil servants had so little oversight over their actions, that they diverted huge sums of money to dubious causes.
Funny how France and Lux benefitted though???
An that Is 19 Years!!
This is the problem,
The EEC unelected civil servants had so little oversight over their actions, that they diverted huge sums of money to dubious causes.
Funny how France and Lux benefitted though???
An that Is 19 Years!!
dailymail said:
Auditors refuse to give EU accounts a clean bill of health for 19th year in a row as rate of unexplained spending rises 23%... with UK liable for £800m
robm3 said:
The one fly in the ointment is Farage, and his straight talking common sense.
"Why, wouldn't it be a shame if some fanatic 'knocked him off? Sure he's the backbone of that whole damn UKIP thing....."
I can just see that thought go through a few political power broker's minds, although naturally, that's never been done by upstanding governments or their respective departments, not even when there's billions of euros at stake, and they'd be out of power, and perhaps even revealed, why no, never, of course not....
I've never voted UKIP and I don't intend to next year; but if Farage dies before the election I'll vote for UKIP. (Nowt against ya Nige, I just don't want the cigarette smoking man to visit you)."Why, wouldn't it be a shame if some fanatic 'knocked him off? Sure he's the backbone of that whole damn UKIP thing....."
I can just see that thought go through a few political power broker's minds, although naturally, that's never been done by upstanding governments or their respective departments, not even when there's billions of euros at stake, and they'd be out of power, and perhaps even revealed, why no, never, of course not....
Tyre Tread said:
LucreLout said:
I've never voted UKIP and I don't intend to next year; but if Farage dies before the election I'll vote for UKIP. (Nowt against ya Nige, I just don't want the cigarette smoking man to visit you).
It has crossed my mind a few times that being Mr Farage must come with a not insignificant amount of personal risk. There are many many powerful people whose lives would be easier if he weren't about. Having said that, I'm surprised we also don't hear more about terror threats at the EU parliament. A not insignificant number of Europe's 500M residents have more than a strong dislike for it.
He got away with light injuries.Hol said:
Wikipedia said:
The European Economic Community (EEC) was an international organization created by the Treaty of Rome of 1957.[1]
Its aim was to bring about economic integration, including a common market, among its six founding members: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. The EEC was also known as the Common Market in the English-speaking world and sometimes referred to as the European Community even before it was officially renamed as such in 1993.
It gained a common set of institutions along with the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM) as one of the European Communities under the 1965 Merger Treaty (Treaty of Brussels).
Upon the entry into force of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) to reflect that it covered a wider range of policy. This was also when the three European Communities, including the EC, were collectively made to constitute the first of the three pillars of the European Union (EU), which the treaty also founded. The EC existed in this form until it was abolished by the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon
We joined the EEC late in 1973, to allow us to trade with Europe without issue. France vetoed us on a number of occasions before we got in, as our inclusion diluted their own control and they (DeGaulle) were scared of our relationship with the US.Its aim was to bring about economic integration, including a common market, among its six founding members: Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and West Germany. The EEC was also known as the Common Market in the English-speaking world and sometimes referred to as the European Community even before it was officially renamed as such in 1993.
It gained a common set of institutions along with the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM) as one of the European Communities under the 1965 Merger Treaty (Treaty of Brussels).
Upon the entry into force of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, the EEC was renamed the European Community (EC) to reflect that it covered a wider range of policy. This was also when the three European Communities, including the EC, were collectively made to constitute the first of the three pillars of the European Union (EU), which the treaty also founded. The EC existed in this form until it was abolished by the 2009 Treaty of Lisbon
Without that membership at the time, our economy would have suffered as Germany and France would have frozen the UK out of european community commercial contracts and also 'could' have used EEC powers to tax uk imports to member countries.
It all looks to have gone wrong in 1993, when the unelected bureaucrats were given more power and the accounts stopped balancing.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Tuesday 28th October 17:22
XJ Flyer said:
Beati Dogu said:
He knows we're dumb enough to fall for it. The "act tough, sell the country out at every opportunity" tactic had been standard Tory operating procedure for decades.
At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
^ This and that applied wether it was Heath or Thatcher.At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
Sorry to upset your trademark anti Conservative rant. I'm not even going to start on the Thatcher comment.
richie99 said:
XJ Flyer said:
Beati Dogu said:
He knows we're dumb enough to fall for it. The "act tough, sell the country out at every opportunity" tactic had been standard Tory operating procedure for decades.
At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
^ This and that applied wether it was Heath or Thatcher.At least the Lib Dems make no secret they're a bunch of traitors who have zero allegiance to this country.
Sorry to upset your trademark anti Conservative rant. I'm not even going to start on the Thatcher comment.
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