scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

[McWigglebum4th]

last year

17 deaths due to alcohol on the roads

over 50 deaths due to drunken violence


would it not be more sensible to have a 50mg/ltr level everywhere?


Think of the children

[hedgefinder]

Edinburger said:

But others are suggesting the proposed law change is wrong because they want to have a drink and drive.

Fundamentally, that's wrong.

Fundamentally your talking bks.. but lets stick with that for a while..


Can I ask...do you drink tea or coffee or coke?

if so do you know what excess caffeine can do to you and quite possibly your driving ability?

[Vipers]

I thought they said they wouldn't be carrying out spot checks, but if you were stopped for a reason, they could if they suspected you had been drinking, breatherlise you.

On the Scottish news on T.V., it shows cars being stopped in Glasgow, and drivers breatherlised.

If they are hell bent on carrying spot checks, why wasn't that the procedure before the limit was lowered.

[s2art]

Driver101 said:

It doesn't make drink driving socially acceptable in the slightest. It sounds like quite the opposite for the majority.Most people I've heard are now far more aware and concerned about drink driving, more so for the morning after.

Drink driving is socially acceptable, almost everyone does it. QED. Stop conflating it with drunk driving, which isnt.

[simoid]

anonymous said:

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Back up a question? Is that even possible?

[xjsdriver]

simoid said:

I like a pint if I go out for a meal or something. Usually I'll drive and the missus will have a couple of glasses of wine. I'll make my first drink a pint of something nice, then have water or soft drinks. This law is nothing more than a restriction on my freedom to enjoy a pint responsibly.

Why not just leave the car at home?... then there's no need to be worried about how strong, or otherwise a particular beer is......Hic Hic!!

[simoid]

xjsdriver said:

simoid said:

I like a pint if I go out for a meal or something. Usually I'll drive and the missus will have a couple of glasses of wine. I'll make my first drink a pint of something nice, then have water or soft drinks. This law is nothing more than a restriction on my freedom to enjoy a pint responsibly.

Why not just leave the car at home?... then there's no need to be worried about how strong, or otherwise a particular beer is......Hic Hic!!

I've not got the money to be out for a meal, having a few pints AAAAAND paying someone to drive me home

[sidicks]

The previous blood-alcohol limit was supported by scientific studies.

Limits that are unreasonable are not respected (see speed limits).

This change will do nothing for road safety (or for the real problem drink driving) and (as highlighted by other people) will potentially downgrade the perception of genuine drink driving to something less severe than it should be.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who understands risk mangement would be against this proposal.

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

Why not just leave the car at home?... then there's no need to be worried about how strong, or otherwise a particular beer is......Hic Hic!!

I have a £160 budget for a meal out

Before the change I spent £5 on fuel and the rest on the meal with change left over

Now

I am forced to take a taxi into town and a taxi back. £75 there and £75 back. i am going to get a great meal for a fiver a head.

[andy_s]

I wonder if they'll make breathalysers compulsory, force everyone to buy a specific 'approved' model, then we find out the specific model is manufactured by a company that has a senior executive who is also the head of a road safety lobbying group who persuaded the government to make them compulsory in the first place...for safety reasons of course....

I'm looking at you Sarkozy...

[simoid]

andy_s said:

I wonder if they'll make breathalysers compulsory, force everyone to buy a specific 'approved' model, then we find out the specific model is manufactured by a company that has a senior executive who is also the head of a road safety lobbying group who persuaded the government to make them compulsory in the first place...for safety reasons of course....

I'm looking at you Sarkozy...

Well, if it saves one life...

Do you need to have these things if you're teetotal? Shirley if you're never going to be near the limit a breathalyser is nothing more than a tax.

[arp1]

I enjoy a pint with my meal as much as anyone, but with these new rules il just have to go without. A minor inconvenience and just a change in habits and attitude, if it makes things safer then why not...

[sidicks]

arp1 said:

I enjoy a pint with my meal as much as anyone, but with these new rules il just have to go without. A minor inconvenience and just a change in habits and attitude, if it makes things safer then why not...

It doesn't.

HTH

[Vipers]

So as the media says "Police launched a major early morning crackdown on drink-drivers, flooding the streets with officers and arrested FIVE motorists".

So as far as burglary goes it must be open season for them with all those thousands of police deployed to catch FIVE motorists.

Dear Mr. Plod, whilst your out there, pull some of these dingbats as well.

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

xjsdriver said:

Why not just leave the car at home?... then there's no need to be worried about how strong, or otherwise a particular beer is......Hic Hic!!

I have a £160 budget for a meal out

Before the change I spent £5 on fuel and the rest on the meal with change left over

Now

I am forced to take a taxi into town and a taxi back. £75 there and £75 back. i am going to get a great meal for a fiver a head.

How car from town do you live?

[V8 Fettler]

McWigglebum4th said:

last year

17 deaths due to alcohol on the roads

over 50 deaths due to drunken violence


would it not be more sensible to have a 50mg/ltr level everywhere?


Think of the children

I'll challenge that figure, evidence please...

[VeeDubBigBird]

I think you've been on the sauce when you made up those figures. Here's the official report on Drink Driving over a 33 year period. Unfortunately it doesn't include 2013, but you can see the trend.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-set...


Year 2012 Casualties
Killed Serious Slight Total

230 1,200 8,510 9,930

[McWigglebum4th]

V8 Fettler said:

McWigglebum4th said:

last year

17 deaths due to alcohol on the roads

over 50 deaths due to drunken violence


would it not be more sensible to have a 50mg/ltr level everywhere?


Think of the children

I'll challenge that figure, evidence please...

http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/news/reported-road-casualties-scotland-2012

http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/statistics/j34...

hard to pin it down as one says 20 the other says 10



Now lets look at deaths outside of cars in scotland

http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files2/stats/alcoho...

round about 1000 a year


Lets look at murders

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/news/releases/2011/12/1...

97 murders in 2011

53% of those murders where carried out by someone who was pissed



So is the real problem me having a beer with a meal and driving home or is it elsewhere?

Edited by McWigglebum4th on Tuesday 9th December 06:11

[Vipers]

REALIST123 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

xjsdriver said:

Why not just leave the car at home?... then there's no need to be worried about how strong, or otherwise a particular beer is......Hic Hic!!

I have a £160 budget for a meal out

Before the change I spent £5 on fuel and the rest on the meal with change left over

Now

I am forced to take a taxi into town and a taxi back. £75 there and £75 back. i am going to get a great meal for a fiver a head.

How car from town do you live?

Interested in the answer?

[simoid]

VeeDubBigBird said:

I think you've been on the sauce when you made up those figures. Here's the official report on Drink Driving over a 33 year period. Unfortunately it doesn't include 2013, but you can see the trend.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-set...


Year 2012 Casualties
Killed Serious Slight Total

230 1,200 8,510 9,930

Scotland or UK?