Exclusive: Praising underpeforming pupils is unhelpful
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Just me that's thinking "no s
t Sherlock"?
Do something well - you should get praise.
Do something unsatisfactory - you should get constructive criticism.
Might it be a sad reflection on our society that this is even considered "news"?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-29838029
Another gem from the article is:
"And it said that teachers with a strong understanding of their specialist subject were particularly likely to have a positive impact on how pupils learn."
What are the chances - people that know what they're talking about are in a stronger position to impart wisdom!
P.S. Also an interesting comment from a teachers' union proclaiming that teachers know best, and implying they don't need any help, which seems anti-professional development
t Sherlock"?Do something well - you should get praise.
Do something unsatisfactory - you should get constructive criticism.
Might it be a sad reflection on our society that this is even considered "news"?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-29838029
Another gem from the article is:
"And it said that teachers with a strong understanding of their specialist subject were particularly likely to have a positive impact on how pupils learn."
What are the chances - people that know what they're talking about are in a stronger position to impart wisdom!
P.S. Also an interesting comment from a teachers' union proclaiming that teachers know best, and implying they don't need any help, which seems anti-professional development
I've noticed over the last few years that those a decade younger than me (I'm 32) really don't take feedback (or coaching) well at all.
To the point that I've had tears (from a 21 year old bloke) because I told him the way he was doing things was taking more than double the time of everyone else, so I'd spend time with him showing him way to get better.
Apparently he was trying his best and why did I have to be mean.
To the point that I've had tears (from a 21 year old bloke) because I told him the way he was doing things was taking more than double the time of everyone else, so I'd spend time with him showing him way to get better.
Apparently he was trying his best and why did I have to be mean.
Sway said:
I've noticed over the last few years that those a decade younger than me (I'm 32) really don't take feedback (or coaching) well at all.
To the point that I've had tears (from a 21 year old bloke) because I told him the way he was doing things was taking more than double the time of everyone else, so I'd spend time with him showing him way to get better.
Apparently he was trying his best and why did I have to be mean.
Really? from a 21 year old grown man....Jesus wept.To the point that I've had tears (from a 21 year old bloke) because I told him the way he was doing things was taking more than double the time of everyone else, so I'd spend time with him showing him way to get better.
Apparently he was trying his best and why did I have to be mean.
Perhaps you're st at giving constructive criticism?
Just like me
In all seriousness, I often see a hostility to criticism (even when it's constructive) throughout life. Even if it's the young guy with 3 years' experience getting it from the chap with 3 decades.
Not sure it's unexpected, I'm sure there's a lot of other stuff going on like small pond to big pond syndrome, relatively new environments, etc
As an aside, I do wonder if the lack of criticism is mirroring what we see from top football managers. They always seem to stick by their players in public. Criticism seems entirely absent. If a players is publicly criticised, they generally take the huff. Since these are our most high profile "man managers" we see every day, could they (albeit through the distorted media coverage) be influencing the culture of man management in education...? Obviously it would be silly to believe that bkings and criticism don't happen in football behind closed doors, but if we don't see it...?
t at giving constructive criticism?Just like me
In all seriousness, I often see a hostility to criticism (even when it's constructive) throughout life. Even if it's the young guy with 3 years' experience getting it from the chap with 3 decades.
Not sure it's unexpected, I'm sure there's a lot of other stuff going on like small pond to big pond syndrome, relatively new environments, etc
As an aside, I do wonder if the lack of criticism is mirroring what we see from top football managers. They always seem to stick by their players in public. Criticism seems entirely absent. If a players is publicly criticised, they generally take the huff. Since these are our most high profile "man managers" we see every day, could they (albeit through the distorted media coverage) be influencing the culture of man management in education...? Obviously it would be silly to believe that b
kings and criticism don't happen in football behind closed doors, but if we don't see it...?One does question why we have thousands of twenty somethings arriving in London from all across the globe who can manage to get themselves a place to live and a job and yet we have thousands of school leavers and uni graduates still living at home with their parents many of whom unemployed or at best doing the odd bar job.
simoid said:
Perhaps you're st at giving constructive criticism?
Just like me
In all seriousness, I often see a hostility to criticism (even when it's constructive) throughout life. Even if it's the young guy with 3 years' experience getting it from the chap with 3 decades.
Very likely, although a big part of my job is coaching managers (who typically have merely been good 'operators' so have been promoted without any evidence of them being any good at leading people) to give constructive feedback etc.! t at giving constructive criticism?Just like me
In all seriousness, I often see a hostility to criticism (even when it's constructive) throughout life. Even if it's the young guy with 3 years' experience getting it from the chap with 3 decades.
I even use the pseudo b
ks 'OEPS' model, which was designed for exactly the reason that people hate being told they're st. Plus all the NLP Derren Brown stuff I've learnt over the years. Could understand it if I'd gone with the 's
t sandwich' approach, or my preferred 'blunt and to the fking point'... 
+1 
Sway said:
I even use the pseudo bks 'OEPS' model, which was designed for exactly the reason that people hate being told they're st. Plus all the NLP Derren Brown stuff I've learnt over the years.
Could understand it if I'd gone with the 'st sandwich' approach, or my preferred 'blunt and to the fking point'...
That sounds like the 80s military model "all those good at their job take two paces forward...Bloggs where the fks 'OEPS' model, which was designed for exactly the reason that people hate being told they're st. Plus all the NLP Derren Brown stuff I've learnt over the years. Could understand it if I'd gone with the 's
t sandwich' approach, or my preferred 'blunt and to the fking point'... k are you going?"Munter said:
anonymous said:
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Why it's wrong doesn't matter. It's wrong. And it was his responsibility.You hold him down. I'll get the cane.
As much as I think unconditional praise is quite damaging, it probably isn't half as damaging as slating kids for their failures with the expectation it'll make them buck their ideas up.
CamMoreRon said:
Munter said:
anonymous said:
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Why it's wrong doesn't matter. It's wrong. And it was his responsibility.You hold him down. I'll get the cane.
As much as I think unconditional praise is quite damaging, it probably isn't half as damaging as slating kids for their failures with the expectation it'll make them buck their ideas up.
Hence why constructive criticism works. It tells someone where they're failing, why it's a problem, and what can be done about it...
Sway said:
Slating kids (or adults) is worthless. Very few people actively underperform. It's because they either don't realise they are, or don't know what to do about it.
Hence why constructive criticism works. It tells someone where they're failing, why it's a problem, and what can be done about it...
Break 'em down, build 'em up Hence why constructive criticism works. It tells someone where they're failing, why it's a problem, and what can be done about it...
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