Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes wonder how we managed to shun the notion of sorcery.
In jest I do sometimes wonder if believers shout and jump up and down during solar eclipses to scare away the sky dragon and stop it eating the Sun. After all it works every time.mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes wonder how we managed to shun the notion of sorcery.
In jest I do sometimes wonder if believers shout and jump up and down during solar eclipses to scare away the sky dragon and stop it eating the Sun. After all it works every time.turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes wonder how we managed to shun the notion of sorcery.
In jest I do sometimes wonder if believers shout and jump up and down during solar eclipses to scare away the sky dragon and stop it eating the Sun. After all it works every time.mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes wonder how we managed to shun the notion of sorcery.
In jest I do sometimes wonder if believers shout and jump up and down during solar eclipses to scare away the sky dragon and stop it eating the Sun. After all it works every time.
mybrainhurts said:
Very good, with many home truths, but he does seem to roll over a tad too easily on the CCA when it needs to be repealed asafp. Which is surprising as he was one of the few, the five, that didn't vote for unilateral economic stupicide back in 2008.
Washington DC could/might be facing 18 inches of snow which would/should/may be the worst for nearly 100 years. It's reassuring to know that so-called extreme weather is getting less extreme in the era of global warming/climate change, with even worse snow (can snow be better or worse?) occurring ~100 years ago before tax gas took control...of politicians' brains.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/21/...
We had the same predicted good news, that extreme winter weather was more extreme back before the IPCC was invented, in September 2015 looking ahead to Freezageddon aka the mild December
but there's still January on of course. 15 deg C tomorrow apparently which is truly Freezageddon, no hang on it's global warming. Or it's weather. Somebody should ask Viner though he may be getting over-excited at the prospect of very rare and exciting events.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/13/freezageddon-britain...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/21/...
We had the same predicted good news, that extreme winter weather was more extreme back before the IPCC was invented, in September 2015 looking ahead to Freezageddon aka the mild December
but there's still January on of course. 15 deg C tomorrow apparently which is truly Freezageddon, no hang on it's global warming. Or it's weather. Somebody should ask Viner though he may be getting over-excited at the prospect of very rare and exciting events.http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/13/freezageddon-britain...
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
turbobloke said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes wonder how we managed to shun the notion of sorcery.
In jest I do sometimes wonder if believers shout and jump up and down during solar eclipses to scare away the sky dragon and stop it eating the Sun. After all it works every time.Loony politician clearly has no experience of anything useful in life.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413131/Li...
Lining motorways with disturbines. Supported by Chris Huhne.
No particular understanding of how wind may be required.
I don't know about anyone else but I find wind turbines next to motorways especially distracting - although only if they are moving.
It's something to do with the way we see and how the brain responds to visible movements.
I suspect that the relative lack of change of what we see is part of the relative success of motorway safety. Spinning disturbines cause distraction away for the required lines of sight.
Has anyone undertaken any research?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413131/Li...
Lining motorways with disturbines. Supported by Chris Huhne.
No particular understanding of how wind may be required.
I don't know about anyone else but I find wind turbines next to motorways especially distracting - although only if they are moving.
It's something to do with the way we see and how the brain responds to visible movements.
I suspect that the relative lack of change of what we see is part of the relative success of motorway safety. Spinning disturbines cause distraction away for the required lines of sight.
Has anyone undertaken any research?
Edited by LongQ on Saturday 23 January 19:31
I was wondering if anyone in the media would comment on the Di Caprio Davos Prize farce.
At last someone has, albeit on the back of a critique of Billy Connolly's trousers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3412947/...
The Di Caprio observations come towards the end of the first piece in the post.
It would be nice if a few others made similar points to give them some wider spread.
It's strange that, at a time when there are clearly many people around the world in all societies who are quite susceptible of being persuaded to perform barbaric acts on strangers whilst seemingly entertaining no logical comprehension about their own mortality, our "leaders" appear to be intent on undermining everything about security that the mass of the world population needs to act vaguely cohesively and reasonably (most of the time).
No doubt they think they are immune to the issues of the lower world as they observe it from the top pf the pyramid.
From what I can gather from history this is the way that most long time successful empires end.
At last someone has, albeit on the back of a critique of Billy Connolly's trousers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3412947/...
The Di Caprio observations come towards the end of the first piece in the post.
It would be nice if a few others made similar points to give them some wider spread.
It's strange that, at a time when there are clearly many people around the world in all societies who are quite susceptible of being persuaded to perform barbaric acts on strangers whilst seemingly entertaining no logical comprehension about their own mortality, our "leaders" appear to be intent on undermining everything about security that the mass of the world population needs to act vaguely cohesively and reasonably (most of the time).
No doubt they think they are immune to the issues of the lower world as they observe it from the top pf the pyramid.
From what I can gather from history this is the way that most long time successful empires end.
LongQ said:
Loony politician clearly has no experience of anything useful in life.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413131/Li...
Lining motorways with disturbines. Supported by Chris Huhne.
No particular understanding of how wind may be required.
I don;t know about anyone else but I find wind turbines next to motorways especially distracting - although only if they are moving.
It's something to do with the way we see and how the brain responds to visible movements.
I suspect that the relative lack of change of what we see is part of the relative success of motorway safety. Spinning disturbines cause distraction away for the required lines of sight.
Has anyone undertaken any research?
Clearly demonstrates the intelligence (lack off) politcians. To think these idiots, and loads more like them, are running (ruining actually) the countryhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3413131/Li...
Lining motorways with disturbines. Supported by Chris Huhne.
No particular understanding of how wind may be required.
I don;t know about anyone else but I find wind turbines next to motorways especially distracting - although only if they are moving.
It's something to do with the way we see and how the brain responds to visible movements.
I suspect that the relative lack of change of what we see is part of the relative success of motorway safety. Spinning disturbines cause distraction away for the required lines of sight.
Has anyone undertaken any research?
Mr GrimNasty said:
Don't be silly, this is special climate weirded 5-sided flake apocalyptic snow.
My god, that's worse than previously thought. Just wait for the 6 sided flake apocalyptic snow. Harrabin will spontaneously combust and Monbiot will vaporize. God knows where Lord Deben will end up.
Not saying that's a bad thing, mind.
Sunrise on Sky just interviewed a 'Climate Expert' from Columbia University about the snow hitting New York, full name Jonas Snow...this being the name of the snow not the expert. The guy was asked if it was climate change or something 'more predictable' (irony lost) like El Nino, the expert nodded that it definitely had elements of both and that with climate change we could expect to see more snow storms like this. A bit of jet stream whatever was thrown in for good measure. Clearly the guy isn't a fan of the Viner School of bo
ks. Rare and exciting, common as muck, win-win again for the high priests of climate voodoo.
ks. Rare and exciting, common as muck, win-win again for the high priests of climate voodoo.Surely we've been told, and must believe truly, that The Pause never existed?
Delingpole said:
The climate alarmists have come up with a brilliant new excuse to explain why there has been no “global warming” for nearly 19 years.
Turns out the satellite data is lying.
And to prove it they’ve come up with a glossy new video starring such entirely trustworthy and not at all biased climate experts as Michael “Hockey Stick” Mann , Kevin "Travesty” Trenberth and Ben Santer. (All of these paragons of scientific rectitude feature heavily in the Climategate emails)
This accuracy was acknowledged 25 years ago by NASA, which said that “satellite analysis of the upper atmosphere is more accurate, and should be adopted as the standard way to monitor temperature change.”
More recently, though, climate alarmists have grown increasingly resentful of the satellite temperature record because of its pesky refusal to show the warming trend they’d like it to show. Instead of warming, the RSS and UAH satellite data shows that the earth’s temperatures have remained flat for over 18 years - the so-called “Pause.”
Hence the alarmists’ preference for the land and sea-based temperature datasets which do show a warming trend, especially after the raw data has been adjusted in the right direction. Climate realists, however, counter that these records have all the integrity of Enron’s accounting system or of Hillary’s word on what really happened in Benghazi.
More here: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blogTurns out the satellite data is lying.
And to prove it they’ve come up with a glossy new video starring such entirely trustworthy and not at all biased climate experts as Michael “Hockey Stick” Mann , Kevin "Travesty” Trenberth and Ben Santer. (All of these paragons of scientific rectitude feature heavily in the Climategate emails)
This accuracy was acknowledged 25 years ago by NASA, which said that “satellite analysis of the upper atmosphere is more accurate, and should be adopted as the standard way to monitor temperature change.”
More recently, though, climate alarmists have grown increasingly resentful of the satellite temperature record because of its pesky refusal to show the warming trend they’d like it to show. Instead of warming, the RSS and UAH satellite data shows that the earth’s temperatures have remained flat for over 18 years - the so-called “Pause.”
Hence the alarmists’ preference for the land and sea-based temperature datasets which do show a warming trend, especially after the raw data has been adjusted in the right direction. Climate realists, however, counter that these records have all the integrity of Enron’s accounting system or of Hillary’s word on what really happened in Benghazi.
turbobloke said:
Surely we've been told, and must believe truly, that The Pause never existed?
More here: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
Here's an article on the same topic from the team who collected that data:More here: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-glob...
A few quotes:
Remote Sensing Systems said:
Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid? The short answer is ‘no’. The denialists like to assume that the cause for the model/observation discrepancy is some kind of problem with the fundamental model physics, and they pooh-pooh any other sort of explanation. This leads them to conclude, very likely erroneously, that the long-term sensitivity of the climate is much less than is currently thought.
Remote Sensing Systems said:
...A similar, but stronger case can be made using surface temperature datasets, which I consider to be more reliable than satellite datasets (they certainly agree with each other better than the various satellite datasets do!)
There's no point me commenting. You can decide whether to believe the "Journalist, Author and Broadcaster" or the "Senior Research Scientist at Remote Sensing Systems".durbster said:
turbobloke said:
Surely we've been told, and must believe truly, that The Pause never existed?
More here: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
Here's an article on the same topic from the team who collected that data:More here: http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog
http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-glob...
A few quotes:
Remote Sensing Systems said:
Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid? The short answer is ‘no’. The denialists like to assume that the cause for the model/observation discrepancy is some kind of problem with the fundamental model physics, and they pooh-pooh any other sort of explanation. This leads them to conclude, very likely erroneously, that the long-term sensitivity of the climate is much less than is currently thought.
Remote Sensing Systems said:
...A similar, but stronger case can be made using surface temperature datasets, which I consider to be more reliable than satellite datasets (they certainly agree with each other better than the various satellite datasets do!)
There's no point me commenting. You can decide whether to believe the "Journalist, Author and Broadcaster" or the "Senior Research Scientist at Remote Sensing Systems".The scientist in question doesn't give an accurate description of the situation concerning climate models. Climate realists do indicate that there are problems with models, mostly by looking at the data and noting that reality fell out of the range of model predictions some time ago, staging a brief return to the margins through a recent strong El Nino, but that was merely temporary and not humans at work.
The problem with climate models isn't to do with physics as there's less physics in them than you might think.
With the exception of some fluids effects including pressure, gravity, advection and so on, the physics and chemistry (and any biology) in climate models amount to tuned paramaterisations, not immutable laws of physics.
It's not possible to model the global atmosphere from first principles as many of the important processes operate at scales which are not resolvable with current computing power and the sum total of scientific processes involving many tens of forcings with couplings and feedbacks is insufficiently understood in any case. Hence the need for tuned parameterisations. Imagining that climate models are telling the whole physics and nothing but the physics is...imagination.
Who does the tuning, not the modellers surely. Still, at least we know exactly what they all do with the fiddlefactoring.
IPCC said:
With very few exceptions modeling centres do not routinely describe in detail how they tune their models.
Then again, maybe not.As we're on the topic of imaginary things, Sky may one day interview Bert from Sheffield, an expert on Fairies at the Bottom of the Garden, about the arrival of a few inches of snow. Could it be winter, or Fairies? "It's a combination of both. We have photos showing the Fairies making it snow. The pictures have been adjusted, but that was necessary as the Fairies weren't visible initially."
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