Katie Hopkins offensive tweets
Discussion
Mr2Mike said:
kurt535 said:
I've read and re-read her tweet; I cannot see, in any capacity, her calling only for the death of Islamic Terrorists. The fact the tweet was then corrected supports her underlying meaning.
You see what you want to see.Jazzy Jag said:
While I am not advocating gas chambers for the masses.
On some level Hopkins is right.
How can we have 23,000 potential murderers in our midst an do nothing.
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
We don't. If you look at the detail behind that figure, 20000 is the number previously investigated and 3000 is the number of current suspects..On some level Hopkins is right.
How can we have 23,000 potential murderers in our midst an do nothing.
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
As for the last sentence, we were at greater risk in the 80's & 90's from the IRA. I was living in central London at the time.
berlintaxi said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
The threat of terror attacks has always been part and parcel of British life at least for the last 50 years, heard of the IRA?We have never been so safe as we are now.
Jazzy Jag said:
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
You should have mentioned the part about terrorism coming almost exclusively from British citizens, otherwise the usual people turn up and start talking about the IRA. The land dispute of the IRA was something that was possible to solve, and indeed largely has been. Defeating Islamist terrorism isn't quite the same thing some want you to believe as the counter excuse it gets presented as on PH. If you think its just about not bombing anything in the Middle East, think again. It gets a bit more complicated for them when faced with the reality of this, and the fact the same attitudes towards hating the rest of the country are also at play in not just bombing children, but rape of them facilitated by the same attitudes of the victims being subhuman from the same ideology.
Jazzy Jag said:
While I am not advocating gas chambers for the masses.
On some level Hopkins is right.
How can we have 23,000 potential murderers in our midst an do nothing.
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
1. what level do you think she is right?On some level Hopkins is right.
How can we have 23,000 potential murderers in our midst an do nothing.
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
2. can you confirm the right of abode/including which passport the various UK terror-incident culprits held going back to 7/7 please?
kurt535 said:
1. what level do you think she is right?
2. can you confirm the right of abode/including which passport the various UK terror-incident culprits held going back to 7/7 please?
1. Varying degrees depending on the severity of the threat up-to and including deportation.2. can you confirm the right of abode/including which passport the various UK terror-incident culprits held going back to 7/7 please?
2. Why is it that British born people who have been brought up under the benefits that the country provides feel more allegiance to a s
t hole they have never been to?Holding a British passport is a privilege not a right.
When people go to Syria, they tend not to be going on a beach holiday.
Leave them there, cancel their passports and I'd seriously consider sending the facilitating member of their families to join them.
Jazzy Jag said:
Why should we accept that terror attacks are now part and parcel of British life?
Cause Mayor Khan said so
Just one more reason to dislike this w
ker!If he's not saying stupid s
t, he's being the original "hanger on" around celebrity or status. And I notice that half the adverts for the Mayoral office include the phrase "Londons Mayor Sadiq Khan" When I don't recall Boris or even Ken needing their name on everything! They just stuck with "Mayor of London"Mr2Mike said:
kurt535 said:
I've read and re-read her tweet; I cannot see, in any capacity, her calling only for the death of Islamic Terrorists. The fact the tweet was then corrected supports her underlying meaning.
You see what you want to see.Final solution means holocaust / genocide.
It is desperate straw clutching to imagine she only means the extremelists. She means all of them. She is vile enough to say this and a google suggests she is no stranger to it.
Fascinating to see how some are defending it, in a morbid "this is what happened in the 1930s" kind of way.
Perhaps the same sort 80 odd years ago were saying "in mein kampf, he obviously only means the nasty jews, and thats fair enough."
Rich_W said:
Cause Mayor Khan said so
Just one more reason to dislike this wker!
If he's not saying stupid st, he's being the original "hanger on" around celebrity or status. And I notice that half the adverts for the Mayoral office include the phrase "Londons Mayor Sadiq Khan" When I don't recall Boris or even Ken needing their name on everything! They just stuck with "Mayor of London"
That really is a flowering pile of nonsense. He did say that, the bit you've missed out in order to put your own context on it is that he said he'd had a sleepless night following the New York bombing and said major cities around the world “have got to be prepared for these sorts of things” to happen when people least expect them.Just one more reason to dislike this w
ker!If he's not saying stupid s
t, he's being the original "hanger on" around celebrity or status. And I notice that half the adverts for the Mayoral office include the phrase "Londons Mayor Sadiq Khan" When I don't recall Boris or even Ken needing their name on everything! They just stuck with "Mayor of London"“That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities, it means the security services being ready, but it also means exchanging ideas and best practice”,
So hardly, I've given up & the Muslims win ffs.
Besides, it's so dull to attack Khan, he's demonstrably the most integrated kind of Muslim that large swathes of people here constantly bemoan never happens. British, working class, democratic & driven to serve in public life. What more can he do to convince people he's one of us, not one of them?
You literally cannot win with some people.
kurt535 said:
Twig. Yet another PH'er who likes to be confrontational and noticed with their overt right wing opinions.
Rather have overt right wing than violent left wingAnd as for these new British terrorists, if the Muslims can disown them after an atrocity why can't the British.
After all quite a few who were born here consider them selves to be Muslim then (country of parents origin) then British.
ie Muslim Libyan British.
Eddie Strohacker said:
That really is a flowering pile of nonsense. He did say that, the bit you've missed out in order to put your own context on it is that he said he'd had a sleepless night following the New York bombing and said major cities around the world “have got to be prepared for these sorts of things” to happen when people least expect them.
“That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities, it means the security services being ready, but it also means exchanging ideas and best practice”,
So hardly, I've given up & the Muslims win ffs.
Besides, it's so dull to attack Khan, he's demonstrably the most integrated kind of Muslim that large swathes of people here constantly bemoan never happens. British, working class, democratic & driven to serve in public life. What more can he do to convince people he's one of us, not one of them?
You literally cannot win with some people.
“That means being vigilant, having a police force that is in touch with communities, it means the security services being ready, but it also means exchanging ideas and best practice”,
So hardly, I've given up & the Muslims win ffs.
Besides, it's so dull to attack Khan, he's demonstrably the most integrated kind of Muslim that large swathes of people here constantly bemoan never happens. British, working class, democratic & driven to serve in public life. What more can he do to convince people he's one of us, not one of them?
You literally cannot win with some people.
I'm no Khanite but anyone with a sense of balance can recognise the truth of the matter.
///ajd said:
She knew what final solution meant, no doubt whatsoever. Thats why she changed it when the penny dropped just how far she had crossed the line by. LBC were left in no doubt.
Final solution means holocaust / genocide.
It is desperate straw clutching to imagine she only means the extremelists. She means all of them. She is vile enough to say this and a google suggests she is no stranger to it.
Fascinating to see how some are defending it, in a morbid "this is what happened in the 1930s" kind of way.
Perhaps the same sort 80 odd years ago were saying "in mein kampf, he obviously only means the nasty jews, and thats fair enough."
Some of us didn't connect the phrase 'final solution' in this context despite being aware of it's possible Nazi connotations. I genuinely didn't think anyone would use it in that way, even KH, particularly with her sympathy to Israel. Final solution means holocaust / genocide.
It is desperate straw clutching to imagine she only means the extremelists. She means all of them. She is vile enough to say this and a google suggests she is no stranger to it.
Fascinating to see how some are defending it, in a morbid "this is what happened in the 1930s" kind of way.
Perhaps the same sort 80 odd years ago were saying "in mein kampf, he obviously only means the nasty jews, and thats fair enough."
I suspect for KH this will just increase her stock as an 'edgy' columnist.
Hopkins is vile* but it is all part of her persona... she will be loving all the attention she is getting... I'm surprised people react in such a hysterical way and gift her the publicity she so badly desires.
- Though I disagree with most of what she says I think she has the right to say almost all of it. Freedom of speech should be virtually absolute and I really dislike the way people try to shut down any debate with screams of 'isms' or 'phobias' these days.
VolvoT5 said:
Hopkins is vile* but it is all part of her persona... she will be loving all the attention she is getting... I'm surprised people react in such a hysterical way and gift her the publicity she so badly desires.
When you say 'almost all of it'; which part she doesn't have the right to say?- Though I disagree with most of what she says I think she has the right to say almost all of it. Freedom of speech should be virtually absolute and I really dislike the way people try to shut down any debate with screams of 'isms' or 'phobias' these days.
kurt535 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The Spruce goose said:
'Hopkins’ tweet, made in the hours after the explosion at Manchester Arena, said: “22 dead – number rising. Schofield. Don’t you even dare. Do not be a part of the problem. We need a final solution Machester [sic].”'
Why did she use the term final, solution would have been enough? The connotation of final solution is set in stone, it has no other meaning, yet you are arguing it has, which is totally clodpole.
You are quite right. She is calling for the extermination of Islamic Terrorists. That's the subject in discussion. So I ask again, who has an issue with that?Why did she use the term final, solution would have been enough? The connotation of final solution is set in stone, it has no other meaning, yet you are arguing it has, which is totally clodpole.
She may well want a final solution for all Muslims, I wouldn't be at all surprised, but she didn't say that.
We shouldn't be putting words into people's mouths, even if we don't like them.
You really haven't read many of my posts on PH, have you.
But for your information, I'm probably left of centre, and cannot stand KH, and as I've said in this thread, she probably does want to do away with Muslims given the choice.
But hey, don't lets cloud the issue with facts.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You really haven't read many of my posts on PH, have you.
But for your information, I'm probably left of centre, and cannot stand KH, and as I've said in this thread, she probably does want to do away with Muslims given the choice.
But hey, don't lets cloud the issue with facts.
VolvoT5 said:
Hopkins is vile* but it is all part of her persona... she will be loving all the attention she is getting... I'm surprised people react in such a hysterical way and gift her the publicity she so badly desires.
Agree with much of that, she's found a niche in the market and she's exploiting it. How much she genuinely believes I don't know or care, but she says it and gets paid to do so.- Though I disagree with most of what she says I think she has the right to say almost all of it. Freedom of speech should be virtually absolute and I really dislike the way people try to shut down any debate with screams of 'isms' or 'phobias' these days.
I don't think anyone is trying to take away her freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't mean you can't face consequences for what you say. No one is trying to censor her beyond reason (unless she was making direct calls for violence)
Rich_W said:
Cause Mayor Khan said so
Just one more reason to dislike this wker!
If he's not saying stupid st, he's being the original "hanger on" around celebrity or status. And I notice that half the adverts for the Mayoral office include the phrase "Londons Mayor Sadiq Khan" When I don't recall Boris or even Ken needing their name on everything! They just stuck with "Mayor of London"
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/555904/japan-explosions-park-Utsunomiya-tokyo-terror-attack-terrorism-gas-injuriesJust one more reason to dislike this w
ker!If he's not saying stupid s
t, he's being the original "hanger on" around celebrity or status. And I notice that half the adverts for the Mayoral office include the phrase "Londons Mayor Sadiq Khan" When I don't recall Boris or even Ken needing their name on everything! They just stuck with "Mayor of London"Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff