Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case
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JuniorD said:
Is there a D-notice on Andrew about other past stuff that may now or may not now be relevant?
It's a DSMA notice and they tend to cover things like this. Process and categories are all open.https://dsma.uk/standing-notices/
And it's voluntary anyway.
Breadvan72 said:
Why die in a ditch for such a worthless man?
Noscitur a sociis, and all that.
I've not read the whole of this thread (real work to do etc old boy ... ) but I happen to think that the Epstein point is interesting. Noscitur a sociis, and all that.
Epstein was apparently very guilty of doing things he most certainly shouldn't have. However if I was in that boat then I'd hope that my friends stood by me. If Andrew did indeed do this then that's to his credit, surely?
Push that a stage further - who has never done anything that they shouldn't have done? I most certainly have. The only difference is one of scale.
He who has no sin may cast the first stone etc.
qooqiiu said:
Lindsey dawn Mckenzie I think.
Was Andrew actually in any danger during the “war”. Doubt it somehow.
Just getting off the deck in a Sea King in the South Atlantic weather was dangerous. If I recall rightly he flew 113 sorties during the war.Was Andrew actually in any danger during the “war”. Doubt it somehow.
For what it's worth, I've talked to a lot of Falklands veterans, my father is one, and I've never heard any of them claim that Andrew was kept out of danger - with the few resources we had down there, keeping a single Sea King on 'safe' duties would have been nigh-on impossible.
At the 25th anniversary commemorations in London, when he jumped out of his car and abandoned his security to join the other veterans marching there was a pretty decent roar of approval.
Regardless of anything else, I don't think you can accuse the guy of not having done his bit in 1982.
2Btoo said:
Epstein was apparently very guilty of doing things he most certainly shouldn't have. However if I was in that boat then I'd hope that my friends stood by me. If Andrew did indeed do this then that's to his credit, surely?
Push that a stage further - who has never done anything that they shouldn't have done? I most certainly have. The only difference is one of scale.
Your moral compass is way off.Push that a stage further - who has never done anything that they shouldn't have done? I most certainly have. The only difference is one of scale.
2Btoo said:
Breadvan72 said:
Why die in a ditch for such a worthless man?
Noscitur a sociis, and all that.
I've not read the whole of this thread (real work to do etc old boy ... ) but I happen to think that the Epstein point is interesting. Noscitur a sociis, and all that.
Epstein was apparently very guilty of doing things he most certainly shouldn't have. However if I was in that boat then I'd hope that my friends stood by me. If Andrew did indeed do this then that's to his credit, surely?
Push that a stage further - who has never done anything that they shouldn't have done? I most certainly have. The only difference is one of scale.
He who has no sin may cast the first stone etc.
greygoose said:
I think you would be in a minority in standing by a convicted sex offender no matter if he was your mate.
The whole situation is entirely hypothetical but I hope that I would stand by a mate who was in such a position. And I'd hope that my mates would indeed stick by me if the tables were turned. (Note: by 'stick by' I'm not condoning such actions. I'm talking about continuing to associate with them, much as it sounds like Andrew did with Epstein).
I'm aware that I may be coming across as an uncritical fan of Andrew. I'm not, I'm just trying to put a side of things that I think needs more airing.
Pinoyuk said:
You are just jealous of me .Thats why you shy away from quoting my actual words as you prefer to try and claim different .But when invited to show yourself to be correct you go quiet !!!!
Now lets add some clues >Charles ex “bit on the side “ after Diana . Her ex BF’s initials are PW. Some of you will know :-) She now lives in Florence .
Linnell drive . End house . “Trevor” makes money from Sputnik algorithms in the banking world >married (maybe binned her now with luck )to a slag Turkish woman Who robbed him blind .Would visit their house many many times 15 years ago. Dog called “Waggy”
Dont be jealous , Just up your game a bit .
The plane, the plane !!!!!Now lets add some clues >Charles ex “bit on the side “ after Diana . Her ex BF’s initials are PW. Some of you will know :-) She now lives in Florence .
Linnell drive . End house . “Trevor” makes money from Sputnik algorithms in the banking world >married (maybe binned her now with luck )to a slag Turkish woman Who robbed him blind .Would visit their house many many times 15 years ago. Dog called “Waggy”
Dont be jealous , Just up your game a bit .
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th November 17:00
2Btoo said:
Gameface said:
2Btoo said:
... who has never done anything that they shouldn't have done? I most certainly have. The only difference is one of scale.
Your moral compass is way off.2Btoo said:
The whole situation is entirely hypothetical but I hope that I would stand by a mate who was in such a position. And I'd hope that my mates would indeed stick by me if the tables were turned.
(Note: by 'stick by' I'm not condoning such actions. I'm talking about continuing to associate with them, much as it sounds like Andrew did with Epstein).
I'm aware that I may be coming across as an uncritical fan of Andrew. I'm not, I'm just trying to put a side of things that I think needs more airing.
Andrew was probably far too addicted to the “Epstein “ world and what it could offer him etc . Once addicted and holding a very strong “get out of jail card” .Anyone could start doing weird stuff .Check the Morals of men in Pattaya or Bangkok etc . Only just legal and even if .Thousands of men a night all out preying on the young bar girls .All feeling “covered” as the bar should only be hiring legal girls etc . Many on this forum will have done the same .Many you know will have done the same .The others did lady boys !(Note: by 'stick by' I'm not condoning such actions. I'm talking about continuing to associate with them, much as it sounds like Andrew did with Epstein).
I'm aware that I may be coming across as an uncritical fan of Andrew. I'm not, I'm just trying to put a side of things that I think needs more airing.
The countdown to 16 and the subsequent getting out of the tits was definitely Sam Fox, it was in the countries biggest selling newspaper and I don't recall it being in the least contravertial at the time.
I was in Anabels in the West End when the 14 year old Mandy Smith came in and proceeded to jump about showing off her knickers to all and sundrey for a couple of hours to everybodies apparent delight*.
I later found out one of the women with her was her mother who was entirely complicit in her abuse.
Weird to look back at that stuff and consider how different things are now.
I was in Anabels in the West End when the 14 year old Mandy Smith came in and proceeded to jump about showing off her knickers to all and sundrey for a couple of hours to everybodies apparent delight*.
I later found out one of the women with her was her mother who was entirely complicit in her abuse.
Weird to look back at that stuff and consider how different things are now.
- It was also to my delight but in my defence I had no idea who she was at the time and genuinely thought she was 19 or 20, she towered above the other people she was with.
According to Wikipedia, the countdown to 16 was LDM & Sunday Sport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linsey_Dawn_McKenzie
Sam Fox also started at 16 & retired at 20.
But then again, it was acceptable in the 80's........
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linsey_Dawn_McKenzie
Sam Fox also started at 16 & retired at 20.
But then again, it was acceptable in the 80's........
br d said:
The countdown to 16 and the subsequent getting out of the tits was definitely Sam Fox, it was in the countries biggest selling newspaper and I don't recall it being in the least contravertial at the time.
I was in Anabels in the West End when the 14 year old Mandy Smith came in and proceeded to jump about showing off her knickers to all and sundrey for a couple of hours to everybodies apparent delight*.
I later found out one of the women with her was her mother who was entirely complicit in her abuse.
Weird to look back at that stuff and consider how different things are now.
You need to try most cities on a Friday night. Lots and lots of 14 + girls dressed to kill and looking a lot older than anyone would guess . Tits out ready to go . I had to go to SI was in Anabels in the West End when the 14 year old Mandy Smith came in and proceeded to jump about showing off her knickers to all and sundrey for a couple of hours to everybodies apparent delight*.
I later found out one of the women with her was her mother who was entirely complicit in her abuse.
Weird to look back at that stuff and consider how different things are now.
- It was also to my delight but in my defence I had no idea who she was at the time and genuinely thought she was 19 or 20, she towered above the other people she was with.
horpe for work last year .I went out with the 2 guys I was working with . They are both 26 I am mid 50’s .Just as well I don’t drink much .And I am loyal to my wife. But I could have easily done 2-3 . They are sluts . Girls claiming to be 19 etc all falling over themselves .Now with Mandy smith ,her problem was her mother .A Pimp if ever there was one . And Sam fox was one abused young lady . Each and everyone around her poked her .Her parents robbed her .She lost a fortune .But now is happy been gay ! BaldOldMan said:
According to Wikipedia, the countdown to 16 was LDM & Sunday Sport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linsey_Dawn_McKenzie
Sam Fox also started at 16 & retired at 20.
But then again, it was acceptable in the 80's........
Maybe LDM too but definitely SF, it was the Soaraway Sun and I don't think the Sunday Sport was even around then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linsey_Dawn_McKenzie
Sam Fox also started at 16 & retired at 20.
But then again, it was acceptable in the 80's........
Pinoyuk said:
You need to try most cities on a Friday night. Lots and lots of 14 + girls dressed to kill and looking a lot older than anyone would guess . Tits out ready to go . I had to go to Shorpe for work last year .I went out with the 2 guys I was working with . They are both 26 I am mid 50’s .Just as well I don’t drink much .And I am loyal to my wife. But I could have easily done 2-3 . They are sluts . Girls claiming to be 19 etc all falling over themselves .Now with Mandy smith ,her problem was her mother .A Pimp if ever there was one . And Sam fox was one abused young lady . Each and everyone around her poked her .Her parents robbed her .She lost a fortune .But now is happy been gay !
You live at the expensive end of Linnell Drive but in your mid 50s you are still working such that you have to go to Shorpe for work last year .I went out with the 2 guys I was working with . They are both 26 I am mid 50’s .Just as well I don’t drink much .And I am loyal to my wife. But I could have easily done 2-3 . They are sluts . Girls claiming to be 19 etc all falling over themselves .Now with Mandy smith ,her problem was her mother .A Pimp if ever there was one . And Sam fox was one abused young lady . Each and everyone around her poked her .Her parents robbed her .She lost a fortune .But now is happy been gay ! horpe ?Hmmmm.
DamienB said:
Just getting off the deck in a Sea King in the South Atlantic weather was dangerous. If I recall rightly he flew 113 sorties during the war.
For what it's worth, I've talked to a lot of Falklands veterans, my father is one, and I've never heard any of them claim that Andrew was kept out of danger - with the few resources we had down there, keeping a single Sea King on 'safe' duties would have been nigh-on impossible.
At the 25th anniversary commemorations in London, when he jumped out of his car and abandoned his security to join the other veterans marching there was a pretty decent roar of approval.
Regardless of anything else, I don't think you can accuse the guy of not having done his bit in 1982.
^This. Whatever action PA did or didn't see in the Falklands War has the sqrt(FA) to do with anything pertaining to the thread. Whether he rescued dozens of squaddies, moved rum consignments between ships or quivered in a cabin changes nothing.For what it's worth, I've talked to a lot of Falklands veterans, my father is one, and I've never heard any of them claim that Andrew was kept out of danger - with the few resources we had down there, keeping a single Sea King on 'safe' duties would have been nigh-on impossible.
At the 25th anniversary commemorations in London, when he jumped out of his car and abandoned his security to join the other veterans marching there was a pretty decent roar of approval.
Regardless of anything else, I don't think you can accuse the guy of not having done his bit in 1982.
Anyone using one claim or the other to help you judge this alleged behaviour is nutso.
(Meanwhile, pinoyuk - please keep going. You're new here (hmmm...) and your post count is sadly rather low, but I think "The Collected Works of Pinoyuk" is going to be a cracker. If it's filmed, I think Jeff Rawle could do you justice.)
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