Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case
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Escapegoat said:
^This. Whatever action PA did or didn't see in the Falklands War has the sqrt(FA) to do with anything pertaining to the thread. Whether he rescued dozens of squaddies, moved rum consignments between ships or quivered in a cabin changes nothing.
Anyone using one claim or the other to help you judge this alleged behaviour is nutso.
(Meanwhile, pinoyuk - please keep going. You're new here (hmmm...) and your post count is sadly rather low, but I think "The Collected Works of Pinoyuk" is going to be a cracker. If it's filmed, I think Jeff Rawle could do you justice.)
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Prince-Andrew-called-a-Falklands-hero-What-did-he-actually-do-to-earn-itAnyone using one claim or the other to help you judge this alleged behaviour is nutso.
(Meanwhile, pinoyuk - please keep going. You're new here (hmmm...) and your post count is sadly rather low, but I think "The Collected Works of Pinoyuk" is going to be a cracker. If it's filmed, I think Jeff Rawle could do you justice.)
DamienB said:
Just getting off the deck in a Sea King in the South Atlantic weather was dangerous. If I recall rightly he flew 113 sorties during the war.
For what it's worth, I've talked to a lot of Falklands veterans, my father is one, and I've never heard any of them claim that Andrew was kept out of danger - with the few resources we had down there, keeping a single Sea King on 'safe' duties would have been nigh-on impossible.
At the 25th anniversary commemorations in London, when he jumped out of his car and abandoned his security to join the other veterans marching there was a pretty decent roar of approval.
Regardless of anything else, I don't think you can accuse the guy of not having done his bit in 1982.
I'd have to agree with this. For what it's worth, I've talked to a lot of Falklands veterans, my father is one, and I've never heard any of them claim that Andrew was kept out of danger - with the few resources we had down there, keeping a single Sea King on 'safe' duties would have been nigh-on impossible.
At the 25th anniversary commemorations in London, when he jumped out of his car and abandoned his security to join the other veterans marching there was a pretty decent roar of approval.
Regardless of anything else, I don't think you can accuse the guy of not having done his bit in 1982.
I think I read he saw Atlantic Conveyor hit by the exocets form his Sea King.
The risk of an exocet hitting a carrier was real - e.g. Hermes was just behind in the Conveyor missile trajectory plots.
In a helicopter when your only landing pad might be taken out and you end up in the sea down there? You can't pretend that alone isn't putting yourself at significant risk.
Any genuine contribution & risk taking in that conflict doesn't excuse his (as yet unconfirmed) conduct of course.
Some of the victim blaming here is quite remarkable.
2Btoo said:
greygoose said:
I think you would be in a minority in standing by a convicted sex offender no matter if he was your mate.
The whole situation is entirely hypothetical but I hope that I would stand by a mate who was in such a position. And I'd hope that my mates would indeed stick by me if the tables were turned. (Note: by 'stick by' I'm not condoning such actions. I'm talking about continuing to associate with them, much as it sounds like Andrew did with Epstein).
I'm aware that I may be coming across as an uncritical fan of Andrew. I'm not, I'm just trying to put a side of things that I think needs more airing.
Think about that for a few minutes. What will they think of you? What will they suspect?
DeepEnd said:
In a helicopter when your only landing pad might be taken out and you end up in the sea down there? You can't pretend that alone isn't putting yourself at significant risk.
Rather hyperbolic; aside from the flightdecks of Invincible, Engadine etc. more or less every ship in the task force had a helipad of some kind, either purpose-built or hastily fitted by the dockyard mateys before departure.hidetheelephants said:
DeepEnd said:
In a helicopter when your only landing pad might be taken out and you end up in the sea down there? You can't pretend that alone isn't putting yourself at significant risk.
Rather hyperbolic; aside from the flightdecks of Invincible, Engadine etc. more or less every ship in the task force had a helipad of some kind, either purpose-built or hastily fitted by the dockyard mateys before departure.The answer depends on what facts can be proved.
There isn’t really a thing called UK law when it comes to crimes. Each of the three components of the UK has its own criminal law. The law is broadly the same but there are some wrinkles.
The complainant alleges coerced sex. She was seventeen at the time: below the age of consent in Florida but not in the UK.
If coerced at seventeen in the UK, possible rape charge.
There isn’t really a thing called UK law when it comes to crimes. Each of the three components of the UK has its own criminal law. The law is broadly the same but there are some wrinkles.
The complainant alleges coerced sex. She was seventeen at the time: below the age of consent in Florida but not in the UK.
If coerced at seventeen in the UK, possible rape charge.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th November 22:45
Breadvan72 said:
The answer depends on what facts can be proved.
There isn’t really a thing called UK law when it comes to crimes. Each of the three components of the UK has its own criminal law. The law is broadly the same but there are some wrinkles.
The complainant alleges coerced sex. She was seventeen at the time: below the age of consent in Florida but not in the UK.
If coerced at seventeen in the UK, possible rape charge.
I’d struggle to remember what I was doing on a set date on a weekend x months ago let alone 18 years. However I’d imagine with staff parties etc would be verifiable - now if he went to. pizza express in Woking surely his daughter could verify or his staff, him there on a hot sweaty day everyone else dripping but not him he was the ice man nice and coolThere isn’t really a thing called UK law when it comes to crimes. Each of the three components of the UK has its own criminal law. The law is broadly the same but there are some wrinkles.
The complainant alleges coerced sex. She was seventeen at the time: below the age of consent in Florida but not in the UK.
If coerced at seventeen in the UK, possible rape charge.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Tuesday 19th November 22:45
Welshbeef said:
I’d struggle to remember what I was doing on a set date on a weekend x months ago let alone 18 years ago
You might remember if you were hanging out the back of a teenager brought to you by your pedophile buddy. That said it probably happened so often maybe he genuinely doesn't remember. There is one reason he was friends with Epstein and its obvious what it was.
Escy said:
Welshbeef said:
I’d struggle to remember what I was doing on a set date on a weekend x months ago let alone 18 years ago
You might remember if you were hanging out the back of a teenager brought to you by your pedophile buddy. That said it probably happened so often maybe he genuinely doesn't remember. There is one reason he was friends with Epstein and its obvious what it was.
But yea get your point.
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