Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case

[Davos123]

Graveworm said:

That's pretty much every prostitute in the world. Not condoning going with prostitutes or what Andrew did, but Rape is a step up.

Not every prostitute in the world is a trafficked 17 year old girl

Stay in Bed Instead said:

You are stating this a fact.

He claims he didn't have sex with her.

He's talking out of his arse

Stay in Bed Instead said:

But you should.

If you go around accusing people of rape when it's not but suits your agenda, you belittle the actual crime of rape and the victims of it.

I'm not belittling the crime of rape or the victims of it. This situation is as morally repugnant and degrading/damaging to the victim, regardless of whether it's legally rape or not. I watched her interview with a rape survivor, they will tell you exactly the same thing as me.

[Dont like rolls]

Davos123 said:

I'm not belittling the crime of rape or the victims of it. This situation is as morally repugnant and degrading/damaging to the victim, regardless of whether it's legally rape or not. I watched her interview with a rape survivor, they will tell you exactly the same thing as me.

Were you as certain about Ted Heath, Cliff Richard and those other poor sods who were also "Tried, convicted and strung up " on the internet/the press ?

FYI, I DO very much think it needs further investigation.

[Davos123]

Dont like rolls said:

Were you as certain about Ted Heath, Cliff Richard and those other poor sods who were also "Tried, convicted and strung up " on the internet/the press ?

No

[Macski]

I can keep up with this thread so apologies if it has been covered before, but how was she trafficked. What I read and even in the BBC documentary it was suggested that Epstein paid the girls, is that trafficking?

Both sides seem to lack detail in their recollection of events and the disappearance of the photo is convenient for which ever side is telling the truth.

What is she trying to achieve? We all know what Epstein did, but he is dead so he can't be held to account, so is she out to get revenge on Andrew?

It is interesting that she already made at least $150,000 and others have written books, is money the motivator?

[The Surveyor]

Byker28i said:

The Surveyor said:

Personally, I think PA knew exactly what Epstein was up to and loved the doors which that opened, and loved that it gave him access to the girls being trafficked by Epstein, and I certainly don't think PA was alone with that. PA is never going to be convicted of any of the current allegations, but his name and his position in the Royal family are certainly being used to give credence to the current civil cases.

I think thats a simplistic view and ignores what Epstein appears to have been doing, which was using the girls to give him access and favours from powerful people with further contacts. At the same time if he could get blackmail material, then he'd have that as well.
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It's not a simplistic view, I didn't refer to Epsteins crimes because he was already found guilty and now he's dead. I was referring to PA and the allegations he's facing and the reason he's facing them rather than each and every other person associated with Epstein.

[Dont like rolls]

Macski said:

I can keep up with this thread so apologies if it has been covered before, but how was she trafficked. What I read and even in the BBC documentary it was suggested that Epstein paid the girls, is that trafficking?

Both sides seem to lack detail in their recollection of events and the disappearance of the photo is convenient for which ever side is telling the truth.

What is she trying to achieve? We all know what Epstein did, but he is dead so he can't be held to account, so is she out to get revenge on Andrew?

It is interesting that she already made at least $150,000 and others have written books, is money the motivator?

How can you think that of our friends in the US Pr industry....Oh sorry, Legal Profession.

[Ayahuasca]

There are allegations that the cavorting that Epstein organised for his wealthy contacts was videoed with a view to blackmail.

Ghislaine Maxwell was balls deep and knows where the skeletons are buried and the tapes hidden.

It in inconceivable that her whereabouts is not known to law enforcement.

Is it possible that she is helping them to compile evidence that will bring down not only PA, but also many other rich and powerful men?

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

Ayahuasca said:

There are allegations that the cavorting that Epstein organised for his wealthy contacts was videoed with a view to blackmail.

Ghislaine Maxwell was balls deep and knows where the skeletons are buried and the tapes hidden.

It in inconceivable that her whereabouts is not known to law enforcement.

Is it possible that she is helping them to compile evidence that will bring down not only PA, but also many other rich and powerful men?

If discovered that world leaders were shagging/abusing underage girls at the various Epstein residences, would the news be too big to release?

[anonymous-user]

No. There is still a free press and the Space Lizards have not quite taken over, yet.

[McGee_22]

ElectricSoup said:

I doubt HM the Q gives too much of a fk about Anne's behaviour regarding Trump. Well, I hope, anyway.

I suspect Liz2 is very probably quietly very proud of little Annie, being quite a chip of the old block of Phil...

without some of the perhaps deliberate gaffs...

[Frank7]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

You are stating this a fact.

He claims he didn't have sex with her.

And David Irving denied the Holocaust, and
Willie Nelson said he paid all his taxes.

[Derek Smith]

Davos123 said:

As far as I'm concerned, yes. She had sex with him because she was instructed to after being trafficked and he will have been well-aware of that, he didn't meet her in the club, Epstein brought a 17 year old to London for 2 days to have sex with Prince Andrew. Any reasonable person knows what's going on there and that girl cannot give complete, informed consent because there is at least an element of coercion at play. I don't care if it meets the legal definition of rape or not. He had sex with someone he knew didn't really want to - that's rape in my book.

In the example you gave, of a trafficked 17-year-old having sex with anyone to order, I'd suggest full consent would be a difficult defence to prove if the man was charged with rape.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

It appears that Clinton has been telling fibs about this too

https://bongino.com/a-new-clinton-epstein-connecti...

[Wills2]

Frank7 said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

You are stating this a fact.

He claims he didn't have sex with her.

And David Irving denied the Holocaust, and
Willie Nelson said he paid all his taxes.

And Anna Nicole said she married for love.

[Lazermilk]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

It appears that Clinton has been telling fibs about this too

https://bongino.com/a-new-clinton-epstein-connecti...

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/116171257...

[_dobbo_]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

It appears that Clinton has been telling fibs about this too

https://bongino.com/a-new-clinton-epstein-connecti...

Well now I'm confused because that article calls Epstein a convicted pedophile and I thought we'd had eleventy billion pages arguing that he wasn't?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

_dobbo_ said:

Well now I'm confused because that article calls Epstein a convicted pedophile and I thought we'd had eleventy billion pages arguing that he wasn't?

And they can't even spell it correctly.



Adam Johnson was repeatedly referred to as a paedophile too.

[Davos123]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

And they can't even spell it correctly.

Both are accepted spellings. Pedophile is US English, it's a US website.

[Pat H]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Adam Johnson was repeatedly referred to as a paedophile too.

In my view, calling him a paedophile is a more forgivable faux pas than getting a child to suck you off.

[randlemarcus]

Pat H said:

In my view, calling him a paedophile is a more forgivable faux pas than getting a child to suck you off.

Tips hat.