Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Byker28i said:

Investment banker, science patron, self-made billionaire, philanthropist and former math teacher Jeffrey Epstein can add a new title to his impressive resume – convicted sex offender.

The Manhattan moneyman appeared in a Florida courthouse today where he pleaded guilty to soliciting an underage prostitute, and immediately began serving an 18-month jail term, which will be followed by one year of “community confinement,” which is essentially house arrest.

As a result of the plea deal, Epstein, 55, will be placed on the national sex offender registry.

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https://nypost.com/2008/06/30/jeffrey-epstein-plea...

I think convicted paedophile stands up?

It doesn't. The girl was 14.

[Welshbeef]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

It doesn't. The girl was 14.

Sorry maybe I’m thick but that age is classed as a child so pedophile is right.

[Pat H]

Welshbeef said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

It doesn't. The girl was 14.

Sorry maybe I’m thick but that age is classed as a child so pedophile is right.

A paedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to a pre-pubescent child.

As Epstein was convicted of shagging a 14 year old, he was not a convicted paedophile, merely a convicted child sex offender.

Some regard the distinction as important.

Others may think that dancing on the head of this pin seeks to dignify the behaviour of dangerous criminals.

[vonuber]

Article on Andrew's close friend Maxwell:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/12/sh...

[Byker28i]

Pat H said:

Welshbeef said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

It doesn't. The girl was 14.

Sorry maybe I’m thick but that age is classed as a child so pedophile is right.

A paedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to a pre-pubescent child.

As Epstein was convicted of shagging a 14 year old, he was not a convicted paedophile, merely a convicted child sex offender.

Some regard the distinction as important.

Others may think that dancing on the head of this pin seeks to dignify the behaviour of dangerous criminals.

I think it depends on which state you are in? From Wikipedia

The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities is 18 (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances).

[Stuart70]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

AW111 said:

You're still trying to peddle that pedantic sophistry?

He met with, partied with, and stayed with a man convicted of having sex with an underage girl.
Or are you going to deny that too?

You can call it what you like, I call it accuracy.

Epstein was a convicted sex offender. He was not a convicted paedophile.

Your pedantic point is unpleasant and smacks of apologia for this man. That may or may not be the case, but it is tired and tiresome.

Give it a rest.

Andrew’s association is distasteful and indicates a lack of judgement at the very least and possibly much more.

[DocJock]

Alternatively, all of you who insist on using the wrong term, even though it's been pointed out as wrong multiple times, could just use the correct term. Epstein was a hebephile. Asking for the correct term to be used in no way condones or supports the sex offender's actions.

Many on this thread seem to be proud of their wilful ignorance.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

I suspect some people like to incorrectly use paedophile because it has greater impact that correctly using sex offender.

"Andrew was friends with a convicted paedophile"

"Andrew was friends with a convicted sex offender"

Which is likely to bring out greater disgust in others?

[deadslow]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

I suspect some people like to incorrectly use paedophile because it has greater impact that correctly using sex offender.

"Andrew was friends with a convicted paedophile"

"Andrew was friends with a convicted sex offender"

Which is likely to bring out greater disgust in others?

ok, lets call it, "Andrew was friends with a child rapist" - keeps it factual

[Pat H]

DocJock said:

Epstein was a hebephile. Asking for the correct term to be used in no way condones or supports the sex offender's actions.

Is a hebephile any less vile than a paedophile?

Most people would say so.

Making the point that Epstein was a hebephile and not a paedophile is a mitigation of Epstein's actions.

Most people don't want to dilute the seriousness of Epstein's criminality and are quite comfortable to ascribe the epithet of paedophile.

I prefer to call him a child sex offender.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

deadslow said:

ok, lets call it, "Andrew was friends with a child rapist" - keeps it factual

Epstein wasn't convicted of raping anyone.

[deadslow]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

deadslow said:

ok, lets call it, "Andrew was friends with a child rapist" - keeps it factual

Epstein wasn't convicted of raping anyone.

never said he was convicted. He can sue me if I am wrong.

[Lazermilk]

deadslow said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

deadslow said:

ok, lets call it, "Andrew was friends with a child rapist" - keeps it factual

Epstein wasn't convicted of raping anyone.

never said he was convicted. He can sue me if I am wrong.

You would think Captain Pedantic would have spotted that...

[vonuber]

All this pedantry does seem to smack of attempts of mitigation, which is bizarre.

[Ayahuasca]

vonuber said:

All this pedantry does seem to smack of attempts of mitigation, which is bizarre.

Why do you believe that getting the terminology right is the same as mitigation?

[vonuber]

Ayahuasca said:

Why do you believe that getting the terminology right is the same as mitigation?

Because it's going beyond that. Yes, Epstein was not convicted of being a sex trafficking rapist monster/ blackmailer but you'd have to be a bit odd to be arguing he wasn't, and especially going 'Well he's not a paedo cos technically I know these girls - all 100 odd of them - had deffo hit puberty'. Oh, well that's all right then!

How about we go to the 'another abuse gang' thread and look at all the shining white knights of pedantry on there? Oh, there aren't any.

[Ayahuasca]

vonuber said:

Ayahuasca said:

Why do you believe that getting the terminology right is the same as mitigation?

Because it's going beyond that. Yes, Epstein was not convicted of being a sex trafficking rapist monster/ blackmailer but you'd have to be a bit odd to be arguing he wasn't, and especially going 'Well he's not a paedo cos technically I know these girls - all 100 odd of them - had deffo hit puberty'. Oh, well that's all right then!

How about we go to the 'another abuse gang' thread and look at all the shining white knights of pedantry on there? Oh, there aren't any.

Not sure that anyone is trying to mitigate what Epstein was or did, but there is a class of PHer that delights in pointing out errors in grammer, spilling, and sintax. Doesn’t matter what the subject is. It’s how we THEY! THEY! get their kicks.

[jshell]

Ayahuasca said:

Not sure that anyone is trying to mitigate what Epstein was or did, but there is a class of PHer that delights in pointing out errors in grammer, spilling, and sintax. Doesn’t matter what the subject is. It’s how we THEY! THEY! get their kicks.

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[SpeckledJim]

In fairness, if there’s a word in English that exactly describes his actions, it’s not Machiavellian or apologist or shameful to suggest that we use it in preference to another word which isn’t actually correct, but which is a lot more tabloid.

[Escapegoat]

For those struggling to understand Stayinbed's insistence on sticking to his definition of evidence:

"There's as much evidence of Stayinbed being a paedophile as there is Epstein having been a paedophile."

There; that clears everything up, right, Stayinbed?