Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case

Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case

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oilit

2,634 posts

179 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Id rather send him to coventry and we never hear his name mentioned again.

I know some people who have had the (dis) pleasure of having to work with him, apparently a rude, arrogant person.

I wonder at his funeral what they will say he has done to make the world a better place during his time on it ….

Milkyway

9,482 posts

54 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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R56Cooper said:
Absolutely. There are lots of reasons why cases settle. It's important to appreciate that the court's job is to determine which set of facts are more likely to have happened than the other. It may be that the truth is something completely different but if the evidence on a particular point is more credible than the evidence to the contrary then a finding will be made.

Remember the civil standard of proof is not as high as a criminal matter.

Andrew's real issue in this case was "that" interview. He painted himself so far into a corner (see, "I was unable to sweat at the time" etc) that the chances of being able to win at a civil case were probably 50/50.

Of course, the other issue is the damage to the firm that a trial would cause. Not surprised that he chose to settle as the claimant was in prime negotiating position.

He settled as he was guilty. Far too many holes (ahem) and his association with his paedo deal maker and his mistress really sealed his fate. Also, his reputation of being an unlikable and self entitled tosspot precedes him everywhere. In any other walk of life he’d be in prison.

Muzzer79

10,071 posts

188 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Piginapoke said:
Maybe not conclude but you can certainly imply that a £12m settlement to someone you have never met is a bit fishy.
Emotionally, you would think so but the reality is that it isn’t.

Without going into detail, I have experience of a company settling a public liability claim for a 5 figure sum. The company did absolutely nothing wrong, but sometimes it’s the most prudent legal option.
That doesn’t make it fishy, it’s not an admission of guilt, it’s being sensible.

Some people, to varying degrees, think Andrew is an arse and has got his comeuppance. They may even be right. But the ‘fishy’ rhetoric therefore fits.

Vanden Saab

14,161 posts

75 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Milkyway said:
Handcuffs and pizza... how perceptive...

Voldemort

6,164 posts

279 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Muzzer79 said:
Piginapoke said:
Maybe not conclude but you can certainly imply that a £12m settlement to someone you have never met is a bit fishy.
Emotionally, you would think so but the reality is that it isn’t.

Without going into detail, I have experience of a company settling a public liability claim for a 5 figure sum. The company did absolutely nothing wrong, but sometimes it’s the most prudent legal option.
That doesn’t make it fishy, it’s not an admission of guilt, it’s being sensible.

Some people, to varying degrees, think Andrew is an arse and has got his comeuppance. They may even be right. But the ‘fishy’ rhetoric therefore fits.
A five figure sum for a company is chicken feed. An eight figure sum for an individual who hasn't got eight figures screams guilt.

Pommy

14,268 posts

217 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Voldemort said:
Muzzer79 said:
Piginapoke said:
Maybe not conclude but you can certainly imply that a £12m settlement to someone you have never met is a bit fishy.
Emotionally, you would think so but the reality is that it isn’t.

Without going into detail, I have experience of a company settling a public liability claim for a 5 figure sum. The company did absolutely nothing wrong, but sometimes it’s the most prudent legal option.
That doesn’t make it fishy, it’s not an admission of guilt, it’s being sensible.

Some people, to varying degrees, think Andrew is an arse and has got his comeuppance. They may even be right. But the ‘fishy’ rhetoric therefore fits.
A five figure sum for a company is chicken feed. An eight figure sum for an individual who hasn't got eight figures screams guilt.
5 figures for a corporate as you say is nothing. That can be a weeks cost of lawyers just to turn up for the initial chat and cheaper than going to court.

£12m isn't settling because it's cheaper than taking it to court...

BikeBikeBIke

8,112 posts

116 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Pommy said:
5 figures for a corporate as you say is nothing. That can be a weeks cost of lawyers just to turn up for the initial chat and cheaper than going to court.

£12m isn't settling because it's cheaper than taking it to court...
I don't think cost was the only reason but Andrew's legal costs were eye watering and they hadn't even got to deposition when it starts to get really pricey.

We don't know if the settlement was £12m but settling was definitely cheaper than fighting and winning.

If the recent Heard and Depp (sp) case has to demonstrated how insane going to court would have been, I dont know what would.

None of which means he didn't do whatever he was being sued for, just that a settlement tells us nothing.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Voldemort said:
A five figure sum for a company is chicken feed. An eight figure sum for an individual who hasn't got eight figures screams guilt.
Well he does die to the ski chalet.


Thing is if we all know he doesn’t have much why waste time taking him to court to sue/ when the pie is tiny.

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Some people here
a. Dont know how the law works and why it's easier for both sides to accept a settlement rather than spend years in courts
b. havent read or understood the settlement in this case
c. believe most of what they've read in the papers about it is true (see b and a)

Once that's straight there's no reason the guy shouldn't resume office.
Otherwise it's putting someone on a perch, then do everything to knock them off.
It might seem a fun game - but what's the real aim?



TonyToniTone

3,425 posts

250 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Some people are contrary just for the sake of it, almost bot like.

oilit

2,634 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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He knocked himself of his perch with his relationships with sleazy individuals for personal gain - (not just supposed sexual gains)

Having been on the receiving end of a lawsuit in the US and defending it all the way - yes it is expensive, but we decided that clearing my name was far more important. It took nearly 5 years but it was worth every minute and $

Ok it wasn’t for underage sex etc and I am not a member of the royal family - but many people I speak with consider him guilty.

Edited by oilit on Tuesday 14th June 07:38

Derek Smith

45,746 posts

249 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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saaby93 said:
Some people here
a. Dont know how the law works and why it's easier for both sides to accept a settlement rather than spend years in courts
b. havent read or understood the settlement in this case
c. believe most of what they've read in the papers about it is true (see b and a)

Once that's straight there's no reason the guy shouldn't resume office.
Otherwise it's putting someone on a perch, then do everything to knock them off.
It might seem a fun game - but what's the real aim?
One way of looking at it I suppose.

Another way might occur to those who understand how politics and monarchy works. It's not only Caesar's wife who must be above suspicion. Or, to put it another way, those closely associated with those at the top of the tree must avoid negative publicity, and perhaps even the 'wrong' sort of attention. The blokes the third child of the Queen. That's close enough for the idiom.

It's not much to ask for someone in that position.

Earthdweller

13,607 posts

127 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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oilit said:
Id rather send him to coventry and we never hear his name mentioned again.

I know some people who have had the (dis) pleasure of having to work with him, apparently a rude, arrogant person.

I wonder at his funeral what they will say he has done to make the world a better place during his time on it ….
Yup, horrible arrogant pig of a man

BikeBikeBIke

8,112 posts

116 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Welshbeef said:
Well he does die to the ski chalet.


Thing is if we all know he doesn’t have much why waste time taking him to court to sue/ when the pie is tiny.
Publicity.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Welshbeef said:
Well he does die to the ski chalet.


Thing is if we all know he doesn’t have much why waste time taking him to court to sue/ when the pie is tiny.
Publicity.
But she is being sued too by one of the girls

saaby93

32,038 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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oilit said:
He knocked himself of his perch with his relationships with sleazy individuals for personal gain - (not just supposed sexual gains)

Having been on the receiving end of a lawsuit in the US and defending it all the way - yes it is expensive, but we decided that clearing my name was far more important. It took nearly 5 years but it was worth every minute and $
That may be so but most of the conjecture raised in the press was nothing to do with the case or the settlement.
How would you have cleared yourself from that?
Do you try to sue every person who writes something or creates a video about something that didnt happen?


BikeBikeBIke

8,112 posts

116 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Welshbeef said:
But she is being sued too by one of the girls
More than one.

Plus there's potential for a criminal case in the states.

But the question was asked why would she sue if all the money goes to lawyers and the answer is the publicity helps with book sales etc.

I'm not saying that's the reason she's doing it, just answering the question.

BikeBikeBIke

8,112 posts

116 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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saaby93 said:
That may be so but most of the conjecture raised in the press was nothing to do with the case or the settlement.
How would you have cleared yourself from that?
Do you try to sue every person who writes something or creates a video about something that didnt happen?
Agree. "clearing your name" isn't possible. Did the Depp/Heard trial help the innocent party? Did Streisand's case help her?

Even if he's innocent would he really even have won? He's not a convincing witness or a likable person. In contrast VG is *so* likable a billionaire selected her for a tour of Europe. Who would the jury prefer?

We can draw no conclusion from the settlement.

We probably can draw our own conclusion from the evidence on the specific accusations which seem to be largely in the public domain but nobody seems that interested in that. smile




TTmonkey

20,911 posts

248 months

Tuesday 14th June 2022
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Prince Williams utter distain for his uncle seems pretty strong to me.