Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
ZX10R NIN said:
v12Legs said:
ZX10R NIN said:
How many Motorcyclists have been killed on London's roads in the last year? I don't see motorcyclists asking for other vehicles to be banned. The answer to the first question is 27 compared to 17 cyclists all lives are important but this has to be looked at logically not emotionally.
It doesn't matter, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that both have to use the road, & you can't ban either as they're both needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?It doesn't matter, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that both have to use the road, & you can't ban either as they're both needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
ps off.
By the way no need to swear, state an opinion by all means but why be abusive it gives the impression you have nothing constructive to say which I'm sure isn't the case.
aclivity said:
Good news, although considering that LGV's covered 8 Billion miles in London and the SE in 2012, that would seem like a pretty high level of compliance.The Vambo said:
v12Legs said:
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?
ps off.
You want to play the game of the red light being optional?ps off.
Probably not, me neither. There is NO good reason for deliberately jumping a red light.
I await the whataboutery.
There is one tiny flaw with the cycle lane @ pedestrian level..
Just how many cycle lanes do you guys think there are? (genuine question)
It comes down to fkwittery on both sides.. cyclists / car /lorry /bus drivers etc..If everyone was a little more considerate, and thought about their actions for even half a second most of these issues would cease to exist.. It comes down to everyone being selfish (and to a lesser extent uneducated in the ways (read dangers) of the road).. C'est la vie..
Just how many cycle lanes do you guys think there are? (genuine question)
It comes down to fkwittery on both sides.. cyclists / car /lorry /bus drivers etc..If everyone was a little more considerate, and thought about their actions for even half a second most of these issues would cease to exist.. It comes down to everyone being selfish (and to a lesser extent uneducated in the ways (read dangers) of the road).. C'est la vie..
Gaz. said:
v12Legs said:
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?
ps off.
Ah, the pleasant, charming cyclist.ps off.
It's a response to a post (amongst many on PH) which suggests that the most vulnerable road users should be the ones changing their behaviour rather than the ones most liable to cause damage.
Fortunately the authorities don't see it the same way.
Much as people may kick and scream there will be more restrictions placed on motor vehicles in the UK and in urban environments especially. Pedestrians, bus users and cyclists (and to some level motorcyclists) will be given priority at the expense of cars and lorries. Live with it. Or vote against it (though good luck with that given that there is cross-party support for cycling and walking).
oyster said:
Gaz. said:
v12Legs said:
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?
ps off.
Ah, the pleasant, charming cyclist.ps off.
It's a response to a post (amongst many on PH) which suggests that the most vulnerable road users should be the ones changing their behaviour rather than the ones most liable to cause damage.
Fortunately the authorities don't see it the same way.
Much as people may kick and scream there will be more restrictions placed on motor vehicles in the UK and in urban environments especially. Pedestrians, bus users and cyclists (and to some level motorcyclists) will be given priority at the expense of cars and lorries. Live with it. Or vote against it (though good luck with that given that there is cross-party support for cycling and walking).
The Vambo said:
You want to play the game of the red light being optional?
Probably not, me neither. There is NO good reason for deliberately jumping a red light.
I await the whataboutery.
I said nothing about red lights.Probably not, me neither. There is NO good reason for deliberately jumping a red light.
I await the whataboutery.
My response was to the ridiculous suggestion that cyclists be forced to dismount at every junction.
You response might be similar if I suggested you get out of your car and push it across every junction.
I've been going in and out of Oxford the last few weeks and the number of poorly lit cyclists ignoring basic road rules was astonishing, no signals, pulling straight out from side roads without looking, ignoring zebra crossings, trying to squeeze in between the pavement and buses at traffic lights with no idea if the bus is then turning left. If you use the road you must take a test of some sort, I'm sure most of these ones don't drive and therefore have taken no road tests of any kind. When I was at school we had cycling proficiency tests and I think they should be compulsory to all if you intend to cycle on the roads, you don't need to spend millions changing roads or trucks, just a bit of cheap education is all that's needed. Awareness and defensive cycling.
surveyor said:
I find the cyclists reluctance to not put themselves beside big and heavy vehicles bizarre. It seems many are happy being in the Right. And Dead.
Or more likely they are ignorant of how dangerous it is, and the terrible road/cycle lane design encourages them to ride there. budgie smuggler said:
surveyor said:
I find the cyclists reluctance to not put themselves beside big and heavy vehicles bizarre. It seems many are happy being in the Right. And Dead.
Or more likely they are ignorant of how dangerous it is, and the terrible road/cycle lane design encourages them to ride there. Gaz. said:
It's an expected response from someone with a camera on their head and a youtube account. I'd have just said no thanks. We are responsible for ourselves and sometimes we have to change our behaviours to account for idiots and if that means at certain junctions I may choose to get off and lose a bit of time then so be it, it isn't the end of the world. It shouldn't be the case but I am damned if I am going to sit in a wheelchair and tell anyone who listens that I had right of way. I already have a lifetime spinal injury because of some dozy OAP not giving way, being technically or legally in the right doesn't take away the constant pain nor does any amount of compensation or insurance pay outs either.
Choosing to get off is one thing, and there may well be some junctions where that is, unfortunately, something a cyclist might choose to do.But ZX10R NIN was suggesting all cyclists be forced to do that at all junctions. A rather different proposition.
ZX10R NIN said:
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Oh, you're serious.When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
ZX10R NIN said:
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
Some of us already have this and it's much cheaper than £80!! If I knock over a pedestrian, (s)he was in the road and not paying attention, is pedestrian insurance mandatory also?ZX10R NIN said:
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
Yes, they're suggestions, but ridiculous ones that will never work. I have as much right to be on the road as you do in your car or on your motorbike!S. Gonzales Esq. said:
An aware cyclist, filming some that aren't being so careful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leW8Mx1GciE
I cycle to work daily (well 4 out of 5 this week!) and I see this constantly. People DO need to take responsibility for their actions but equally truck drivers also need to accept that this will happen and that they are ultimately in control of a very dangerous vehicle.As ever there is 'blame' on both sides but the costs are so much less for the truck driver that they need to be incentivised to ensure extra care.
There is a large refuse company on our industrial estate so constant skip trucks driving back and forth at breakneck speeds. We were joking during lunch a few days ago about how many people they squash.
oyster said:
It's an understandable response, if a little rude.
It's a response to a post (amongst many on PH) which suggests that the most vulnerable road users should be the ones changing their behaviour rather than the ones most liable to cause damage.
Fortunately the authorities don't see it the same way.
Much as people may kick and scream there will be more restrictions placed on motor vehicles in the UK and in urban environments especially. Pedestrians, bus users and cyclists (and to some level motorcyclists) will be given priority at the expense of cars and lorries. Live with it. Or vote against it (though good luck with that given that there is cross-party support for cycling and walking).
The most Vulnerable are MOTORCYCLISTS I don't see road layouts being changed for them?? It's a response to a post (amongst many on PH) which suggests that the most vulnerable road users should be the ones changing their behaviour rather than the ones most liable to cause damage.
Fortunately the authorities don't see it the same way.
Much as people may kick and scream there will be more restrictions placed on motor vehicles in the UK and in urban environments especially. Pedestrians, bus users and cyclists (and to some level motorcyclists) will be given priority at the expense of cars and lorries. Live with it. Or vote against it (though good luck with that given that there is cross-party support for cycling and walking).
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