Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
Stickyfinger said:
Digby said:
I remember seeing one of those medical programs in which one of the ambulance crew opened up the victims chest at the side of the road and was trying to massage their heart with his hands.
I think someone mentioning it on PH made me watch it. Maybe it was a cycle accident? (memory foggy)
Agreements and disagreements aside, it's one of the reasons I cringe when I see bad cycling / driving. I just keep thinking of 'that' phone call to their husband, wife or family member. And it's often a call based on nothing more than a momentary lapse of concentration, a simple risk taken or naivety.
Someone got that call today and their entire world collapsed.
RIP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKbt_XtK7v4&in...
Stickyfinger said:
Digby said:
I remember seeing one of those medical programs in which one of the ambulance crew opened up the victims chest at the side of the road and was trying to massage their heart with his hands.
I think someone mentioning it on PH made me watch it. Maybe it was a cycle accident? (memory foggy)
Agreements and disagreements aside, it's one of the reasons I cringe when I see bad cycling / driving. I just keep thinking of 'that' phone call to their husband, wife or family member. And it's often a call based on nothing more than a momentary lapse of concentration, a simple risk taken or naivety.
Someone got that call today and their entire world collapsed.
RIP.
Right, let's get back to fighting and ignoring London..
Angry riders. People too scared to let their kids ride. Deteriorating behaviour. Congestion. Drunk cycling. Breaking laws and reckless riding...
Copenhagen, huh? Often used as the perfect example of how London should be. Really?
According to the Danish Cyclists' Federation and Wonderful , the official tourism organisation for Denmark, the sheer success of the drive to get more locals and tourists on bikes is creating a dangerous, intimidating and unpleasant climate for cyclists in the city.
"In Copenhagen, we have quite extraordinary problems around cycling congestion," said Aneh Hajdu, of Wonderful Copenhagen. "I don't take my children on their bikes into Copenhagen at rush hour any more. It's too dangerous and scary. I just wouldn't risk it."
It is not just the locals who are, according to Hajdu, finding the sheer crush of cyclists in Copenhagen an ordeal. "I went on a cycling trip around Copenhagen with a friend visiting from London recently, and she was terrified by the mass of cyclists and the aggressive way they behaved," said Hadju. "She found them so overwhelming that she burst into tears. She was too scared to get back on her bike. We had to put it in a taxi and drive back home."
As numbers increase in the cycle lanes, says Hadju, so behaviour deteriorates, with jostling and cutting-up becoming more frequent. "The locals rush past the foreigners, who are often uncertain on their bikes and going slowly," she said. "The locals get impatient and therefore become more threatening."
"As numbers grow and they fight for space, cyclists are becoming more aggressive and reckless in traffic. I increasingly see people bringing themselves and others into dangerous situations," he adds. "They break the laws and use their bikes in completely reckless ways."
Angry riders. People too scared to let their kids ride. Deteriorating behaviour. Congestion. Drunk cycling. Breaking laws and reckless riding...
Copenhagen, huh? Often used as the perfect example of how London should be. Really?
According to the Danish Cyclists' Federation and Wonderful , the official tourism organisation for Denmark, the sheer success of the drive to get more locals and tourists on bikes is creating a dangerous, intimidating and unpleasant climate for cyclists in the city.
"In Copenhagen, we have quite extraordinary problems around cycling congestion," said Aneh Hajdu, of Wonderful Copenhagen. "I don't take my children on their bikes into Copenhagen at rush hour any more. It's too dangerous and scary. I just wouldn't risk it."
It is not just the locals who are, according to Hajdu, finding the sheer crush of cyclists in Copenhagen an ordeal. "I went on a cycling trip around Copenhagen with a friend visiting from London recently, and she was terrified by the mass of cyclists and the aggressive way they behaved," said Hadju. "She found them so overwhelming that she burst into tears. She was too scared to get back on her bike. We had to put it in a taxi and drive back home."
As numbers increase in the cycle lanes, says Hadju, so behaviour deteriorates, with jostling and cutting-up becoming more frequent. "The locals rush past the foreigners, who are often uncertain on their bikes and going slowly," she said. "The locals get impatient and therefore become more threatening."
"As numbers grow and they fight for space, cyclists are becoming more aggressive and reckless in traffic. I increasingly see people bringing themselves and others into dangerous situations," he adds. "They break the laws and use their bikes in completely reckless ways."
WinstonWolf said:
Pretty much identical to how a lot of motorists behave when there's congestion then...
Well, hardly. They just sit there creeping along, don't they? They seldom have the option to act in such a way due to their size.Remember the above article is talking of a place with miles and miles of lovely, wide, often segregated paths where the cycle is King and the rules favour them. Cars don't even come in to the equation.
We want this for London, apparently!
Digby said:
Right, let's get back to fighting and ignoring London..
Angry riders. People too scared to let their kids ride. Deteriorating behaviour. Congestion. Drunk cycling. Breaking laws and reckless riding...
Copenhagen, huh? Often used as the perfect example of how London should be. Really?
According to the Danish Cyclists' Federation and Wonderful , the official tourism organisation for Denmark, the sheer success of the drive to get more locals and tourists on bikes is creating a dangerous, intimidating and unpleasant climate for cyclists in the city.
"In Copenhagen, we have quite extraordinary problems around cycling congestion," said Aneh Hajdu, of Wonderful Copenhagen. "I don't take my children on their bikes into Copenhagen at rush hour any more. It's too dangerous and scary. I just wouldn't risk it."
It is not just the locals who are, according to Hajdu, finding the sheer crush of cyclists in Copenhagen an ordeal. "I went on a cycling trip around Copenhagen with a friend visiting from London recently, and she was terrified by the mass of cyclists and the aggressive way they behaved," said Hadju. "She found them so overwhelming that she burst into tears. She was too scared to get back on her bike. We had to put it in a taxi and drive back home."
As numbers increase in the cycle lanes, says Hadju, so behaviour deteriorates, with jostling and cutting-up becoming more frequent. "The locals rush past the foreigners, who are often uncertain on their bikes and going slowly," she said. "The locals get impatient and therefore become more threatening."
"As numbers grow and they fight for space, cyclists are becoming more aggressive and reckless in traffic. I increasingly see people bringing themselves and others into dangerous situations," he adds. "They break the laws and use their bikes in completely reckless ways."
Angry riders. People too scared to let their kids ride. Deteriorating behaviour. Congestion. Drunk cycling. Breaking laws and reckless riding...
Copenhagen, huh? Often used as the perfect example of how London should be. Really?
According to the Danish Cyclists' Federation and Wonderful , the official tourism organisation for Denmark, the sheer success of the drive to get more locals and tourists on bikes is creating a dangerous, intimidating and unpleasant climate for cyclists in the city.
"In Copenhagen, we have quite extraordinary problems around cycling congestion," said Aneh Hajdu, of Wonderful Copenhagen. "I don't take my children on their bikes into Copenhagen at rush hour any more. It's too dangerous and scary. I just wouldn't risk it."
It is not just the locals who are, according to Hajdu, finding the sheer crush of cyclists in Copenhagen an ordeal. "I went on a cycling trip around Copenhagen with a friend visiting from London recently, and she was terrified by the mass of cyclists and the aggressive way they behaved," said Hadju. "She found them so overwhelming that she burst into tears. She was too scared to get back on her bike. We had to put it in a taxi and drive back home."
As numbers increase in the cycle lanes, says Hadju, so behaviour deteriorates, with jostling and cutting-up becoming more frequent. "The locals rush past the foreigners, who are often uncertain on their bikes and going slowly," she said. "The locals get impatient and therefore become more threatening."
"As numbers grow and they fight for space, cyclists are becoming more aggressive and reckless in traffic. I increasingly see people bringing themselves and others into dangerous situations," he adds. "They break the laws and use their bikes in completely reckless ways."
Two thoughts: one is that you haven't seen any of this, which apparently has some merit, such as therefore it possibly doesn't happen.
Secondly, the people complaining need to try cycling in the UK. They'll definitely have something to moan about then.
WinstonWolf said:
Pretty much identical to how a lot of motorists behave when there's congestion then...
I'd say so, plus, here you have to be away from your home or business for like 3 times the amount you'd want to, and just waste hours in the car instead, which must contribute to our rock-bottom levels of productivity. I don't care how anyone cuts it, dealing with a million bicycles is infinitely easier than dealing with a million cars, on every level including time, space, health, pollution, longevity... the negatives of dealing with a million cyclists are tiny in comparison.
And from your initial reply, I'm 'getting' the same as Jesse Norman...
From The Guardian..
Transport Minister Jesse Norman has asked cycling organisations to remind their members to follow the Highway Code, less than 48 hours after announcing a review on whether dangerous and careless cycling offences should be introduced.
Norman has written to British Cycling, Cycling UK, the Bicycle Association, Sustrans, and Chris Boardman and Will Norman, Cycling and Walking Commissioners for Greater Manchester, and London, respectively, asking for their help highlighting the rules relating to cycling, including use of equipment, clothing and the use of lanes and crossings to their networks.
The response from various cycle groups?
Cars are bad, too. Go and tell them.
From The Guardian..
Transport Minister Jesse Norman has asked cycling organisations to remind their members to follow the Highway Code, less than 48 hours after announcing a review on whether dangerous and careless cycling offences should be introduced.
Norman has written to British Cycling, Cycling UK, the Bicycle Association, Sustrans, and Chris Boardman and Will Norman, Cycling and Walking Commissioners for Greater Manchester, and London, respectively, asking for their help highlighting the rules relating to cycling, including use of equipment, clothing and the use of lanes and crossings to their networks.
The response from various cycle groups?
Cars are bad, too. Go and tell them.
heebeegeetee said:
Digby said:
Right, let's get back to fighting and ignoring London..
Angry riders. People too scared to let their kids ride. Deteriorating behaviour. Congestion. Drunk cycling. Breaking laws and reckless riding...
Copenhagen, huh? Often used as the perfect example of how London should be. Really?
According to the Danish Cyclists' Federation and Wonderful , the official tourism organisation for Denmark, the sheer success of the drive to get more locals and tourists on bikes is creating a dangerous, intimidating and unpleasant climate for cyclists in the city.
"In Copenhagen, we have quite extraordinary problems around cycling congestion," said Aneh Hajdu, of Wonderful Copenhagen. "I don't take my children on their bikes into Copenhagen at rush hour any more. It's too dangerous and scary. I just wouldn't risk it."
It is not just the locals who are, according to Hajdu, finding the sheer crush of cyclists in Copenhagen an ordeal. "I went on a cycling trip around Copenhagen with a friend visiting from London recently, and she was terrified by the mass of cyclists and the aggressive way they behaved," said Hadju. "She found them so overwhelming that she burst into tears. She was too scared to get back on her bike. We had to put it in a taxi and drive back home."
As numbers increase in the cycle lanes, says Hadju, so behaviour deteriorates, with jostling and cutting-up becoming more frequent. "The locals rush past the foreigners, who are often uncertain on their bikes and going slowly," she said. "The locals get impatient and therefore become more threatening."
"As numbers grow and they fight for space, cyclists are becoming more aggressive and reckless in traffic. I increasingly see people bringing themselves and others into dangerous situations," he adds. "They break the laws and use their bikes in completely reckless ways."
Angry riders. People too scared to let their kids ride. Deteriorating behaviour. Congestion. Drunk cycling. Breaking laws and reckless riding...
Copenhagen, huh? Often used as the perfect example of how London should be. Really?
According to the Danish Cyclists' Federation and Wonderful , the official tourism organisation for Denmark, the sheer success of the drive to get more locals and tourists on bikes is creating a dangerous, intimidating and unpleasant climate for cyclists in the city.
"In Copenhagen, we have quite extraordinary problems around cycling congestion," said Aneh Hajdu, of Wonderful Copenhagen. "I don't take my children on their bikes into Copenhagen at rush hour any more. It's too dangerous and scary. I just wouldn't risk it."
It is not just the locals who are, according to Hajdu, finding the sheer crush of cyclists in Copenhagen an ordeal. "I went on a cycling trip around Copenhagen with a friend visiting from London recently, and she was terrified by the mass of cyclists and the aggressive way they behaved," said Hadju. "She found them so overwhelming that she burst into tears. She was too scared to get back on her bike. We had to put it in a taxi and drive back home."
As numbers increase in the cycle lanes, says Hadju, so behaviour deteriorates, with jostling and cutting-up becoming more frequent. "The locals rush past the foreigners, who are often uncertain on their bikes and going slowly," she said. "The locals get impatient and therefore become more threatening."
"As numbers grow and they fight for space, cyclists are becoming more aggressive and reckless in traffic. I increasingly see people bringing themselves and others into dangerous situations," he adds. "They break the laws and use their bikes in completely reckless ways."
Two thoughts: one is that you haven't seen any of this, which apparently has some merit, such as therefore it possibly doesn't happen.
Secondly, the people complaining need to try cycling in the UK. They'll definitely have something to moan about then.
Two Copenhagen groups listed saying it happens (and more IF you look for them), one person from London in the same article saying she was terrified.
Is going to be a tough one regarding who I should believe.....you, them, you, them? Hmmm...
heebeegeetee said:
I don't care how anyone cuts it, dealing with a million bicycles is infinitely easier than dealing with a million cars, on every level including time, space, health, pollution, longevity... the negatives of dealing with a million cyclists are tiny in comparison.
The article is from a city with more bikes than cars and with an infrastructure you probably have pictures of beside your bed.Digby said:
And from your initial reply, I'm 'getting' the same as Jesse Norman...
From The Guardian..
Transport Minister Jesse Norman has asked cycling organisations to remind their members to follow the Highway Code, less than 48 hours after announcing a review on whether dangerous and careless cycling offences should be introduced.
Norman has written to British Cycling, Cycling UK, the Bicycle Association, Sustrans, and Chris Boardman and Will Norman, Cycling and Walking Commissioners for Greater Manchester, and London, respectively, asking for their help highlighting the rules relating to cycling, including use of equipment, clothing and the use of lanes and crossings to their networks.
The response from various cycle groups?
Cars are bad, too. Go and tell them.
Why are you laughing? They are right. My response would be different but I can understand their point of view. Maybe Norman should have written to all organisations associated with road use, rather than just those associated with cycling?From The Guardian..
Transport Minister Jesse Norman has asked cycling organisations to remind their members to follow the Highway Code, less than 48 hours after announcing a review on whether dangerous and careless cycling offences should be introduced.
Norman has written to British Cycling, Cycling UK, the Bicycle Association, Sustrans, and Chris Boardman and Will Norman, Cycling and Walking Commissioners for Greater Manchester, and London, respectively, asking for their help highlighting the rules relating to cycling, including use of equipment, clothing and the use of lanes and crossings to their networks.
The response from various cycle groups?
Cars are bad, too. Go and tell them.
Digby said:
Oh, you are back to ignoring anything you don't like. Got it.
Two Copenhagen groups listed saying it happens (and more IF you look for them), one person from London in the same article saying she was terrified.
Is going to be a tough one regarding who I should believe.....you, them, you, them? Hmmm...
Oh do me a favour. A Brit, overwhelmed at the prospect of riding a bike, couldn't get into her car fast enough? You're telling me this is news? Two Copenhagen groups listed saying it happens (and more IF you look for them), one person from London in the same article saying she was terrified.
Is going to be a tough one regarding who I should believe.....you, them, you, them? Hmmm...
News just in: Woman in tears in Copenhagen. Meanwhile in London... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/...
Yep, that's balance.
Yep, that's balance.
heebeegeetee said:
Oh do me a favour. A Brit, overwhelmed at the prospect of riding a bike, couldn't get into her car fast enough? You're telling me this is news?
It is. As are all the other points you want to ignore.It's better than your news, because you have none and never have.
How many times are you in London per week, wondering about what you see and thinking of what could be a workable solution for the future?
heebeegeetee said:
News just in: Woman in tears in Copenhagen. Meanwhile in London... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/...
Yep, that's balance.
So when we are all electric, what will be your angle, then?Yep, that's balance.
Digby said:
heebeegeetee said:
Oh do me a favour. A Brit, overwhelmed at the prospect of riding a bike, couldn't get into her car fast enough? You're telling me this is news?
1. It is. 2. How many times are you in London per week, wondering about what you see and thinking of what could be a workable solution for the future?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/recreational...
2. Definitely more often than you're in Copenhagen.
Digby said:
So when we are all electric, what will be your angle, then?
Er... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/aug/0...WinstonWolf said:
Pretty much identical to how a lot of motorists behave when there's congestion then...
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