Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
cb1965 said:
It is possible to be from somewhere, move away and come back. And it is possible to visit family and work in London despite not living there. And it is possible to drive round London less regularly then than you do when you move to it.
All these things are possible. I agree. They’re just not things you’ve claimed apply to you.
Mave said:
Finlandia said:
Makes a little bit more sense, but makes life much more difficult and seeing as the premiums are not that much different to the ones in Sweden, I still don't see the advantage of it.
Anyway, enough of this, I suppose if you are born into it, it makes more sense.
Regarding the premiums - there's a huge range in the UK depending on your personal driving history. Anyway, enough of this, I suppose if you are born into it, it makes more sense.
Digby said:
It's not convenience at all. That driver is a 
if that's what happened. There's no excuse. I would ban him for 6 months for being a danger and for giving other HGV drivers a bad name. Fortunately, I have yet to see an example of exactly that, although I have seen vehicles turn in front of riders. Any examples I can give, however, pale in to insignificance compared to the number of times I see riders put themselves in dangerous positions.
So no, it's not "convenience", it's just a single example you spotted on your commute compared to twenty or so bad cycling examples I saw within 20 minutes on a single junction.
Once I pulled out from where I was, within seconds a rider did as I mentioned earlier and went up the inside of a bus with such little room, it required a leg to be walked along the pavement. Nothing new.
So, I say ban the idiot in the truck and fine him, what do you suggest happens to all the cyclists?
Fine them? I think we should get the police to focus their efforts on naughty cyclists, rather than more dangerous problems. if that's what happened. There's no excuse. I would ban him for 6 months for being a danger and for giving other HGV drivers a bad name. Fortunately, I have yet to see an example of exactly that, although I have seen vehicles turn in front of riders. Any examples I can give, however, pale in to insignificance compared to the number of times I see riders put themselves in dangerous positions.So no, it's not "convenience", it's just a single example you spotted on your commute compared to twenty or so bad cycling examples I saw within 20 minutes on a single junction.
Once I pulled out from where I was, within seconds a rider did as I mentioned earlier and went up the inside of a bus with such little room, it required a leg to be walked along the pavement. Nothing new.
So, I say ban the idiot in the truck and fine him, what do you suggest happens to all the cyclists?
cb1965 said:
Well they do, but if you want to say they don't carry on!
Are you going to report this post too btw? Seems you can dole it out, but not take it!
I didn’t report your post. I assumed you reported the post of mine that was removed. Are you going to report this post too btw? Seems you can dole it out, but not take it!
Perhaps someone else doesn’t care for your pretty squabbling and insult-throwing. If you troll a thread as much as you have, you’re likely to attract not just the attention you crave but some you don’t.
Killboy said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
Killboy said:
Fine them? I think we should get the police to focus their efforts on naughty cyclists, rather than more dangerous problems.
Or just Police the roads effectively ?Killboy said:
I think we should get the police to focus their efforts on naughty cyclists, rather than more dangerous problems.
Me too, rather than naughty drivers who leave a wheel nut in a box junction and get fined £80 etc.It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a f
k about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.Digby said:
Me too, rather than naughty drivers who leave a wheel nut in a box junction and get fined £80 etc.
It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a fk about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.
Except they do get caught...It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a f
k about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.There have been several police crackdowns recently.
Or is this another Schrödinger's cyclist phenomenon - too fast/too slow, can't be seen/wiggling their Lycra clad buttocks in your windshield, lights are too bright/no lights, can't be caught/can be chased down and beaten by any powerfully built i.e. fat pedestrian?
Oh and before you moan for links - Google it!
frisbee said:
Or is this another Schrödinger's cyclist phenomenon - too fast/too slow, can't be seen/wiggling their Lycra clad buttocks in your windshield, lights are too bright/no lights, can't be caught/can be chased down and beaten by any powerfully built i.e. fat pedestrian?
Hey, I get it. You don't like what you are reading. The thread is littered with childish approaches such as this.Digby said:
Me too, rather than naughty drivers who leave a wheel nut in a box junction and get fined £80 etc.
It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a fk about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.
Imagine all the deaths that could be prevented! It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a f
k about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.heebeegeetee said:
I do feel that there is little behind the multiple and regular anti-cycling threads other than gross hypocrisy, stupidity and a large dose of dishonesty. There's precious little fact, evidence, logic or sense behind them, nor behind the rantings of you, Digby and a few others.
On your driving in London decades ago...heebeegeetee said:
Every single day countless people would place their lives into my hands and I feel they have no right to do so.
Same here. The difference being, any problems you experienced way back then have now massively increased. You also now seem to not want to agree this is a problem, because it is no longer your problem.heebeegeetee said:
I'm really surprised that cyclists still don't seem to be aware of the dangers they can find themselves in, after all this time and these utterly tragic deaths.
Me too. That's why I am here. The difference being I am still directly involved and trying to avoid such situations, you are sat miles away talking now about how great bikes are now that you no longer need to be involved.heebeegeetee said:
Whatever the rights and wrongs are, which can be argued over until the cows come home, the primary aim of everybody is surely to stay alive. If I found myself beside a tipper truck who I think might be turning left, I'd simply get off my bike and walk away. I wouldn't let the lorry run over me, I would make sure that that couldn't happen.
Doesn't every cyclist in London not know this? I know it's not fair, but you only have one life!
Oh look, something else I completely agree with and have said before. Once again, we find ourselves in a situation where now you are no longer working or driving in London, you can focus on how great bikes are from a lovely safe distance.Doesn't every cyclist in London not know this? I know it's not fair, but you only have one life!
I was berated for saying you should never get killed by a lorry in most of these situations.
"hypocrisy, stupidity and a large dose of dishonesty" with "precious little fact, evidence, logic or sense" you say?
I'll just quote what you said if you bother to comment again because it leaves aside your agenda and agrees with why I contribute.
Edited by Digby on Sunday 19th November 20:34
Digby said:
Quite a few mentioned in this thread for a start. Unless death is now being used as some form of ammo for you to make a point. How lovely.
Not at all. I cant find the stats for the number of cyclists killed skipping traffic lights, but I'm sure based on your experiences there is a lot.Killboy said:
Digby said:
Quite a few mentioned in this thread for a start. Unless death is now being used as some form of ammo for you to make a point. How lovely.
Not at all. I cant find the stats for the number of cyclists killed skipping traffic lights, but I'm sure based on your experiences there is a lot.frisbee said:
Except they do get caught...
There have been several police crackdowns recently.
Or is this another Schrödinger's cyclist phenomenon - too fast/too slow, can't be seen/wiggling their Lycra clad buttocks in your windshield, lights are too bright/no lights, can't be caught/can be chased down and beaten by any powerfully built i.e. fat pedestrian?
Oh and before you moan for links - Google it!
It's a bit unfortunate that in the road safety crackdowns the drivers are handed more tickets than the cyclists - makes a nonsense of the claim that "breaking the law" is only a problem with cyclists.There have been several police crackdowns recently.
Or is this another Schrödinger's cyclist phenomenon - too fast/too slow, can't be seen/wiggling their Lycra clad buttocks in your windshield, lights are too bright/no lights, can't be caught/can be chased down and beaten by any powerfully built i.e. fat pedestrian?
Oh and before you moan for links - Google it!
Killboy said:
Not at all. I cant find the stats for the number of cyclists killed skipping traffic lights, but I'm sure based on your experiences there is a lot.
You are trying to be clever again rather than have an adult discussion. A path well-trodden. Perhaps you don't realise you are even doing it?For the record, I have never seen any killed. Have seen a few hit and several hit other things, though. I have no clue what that has to do with such a selfish and moronic act anyway. It often relies on others having to make sure such selfish riders do not get injured or killed and as Heebee says above, that's not right, is it?
Quickly now, dig deep and find something else creative to say so you can pat yourself on the back and sit back all smug in your chair.
Digby said:
Me too, rather than naughty drivers who leave a wheel nut in a box junction and get fined £80 etc.
It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a fk about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.
You seem to speak with the authority of a lot of people. What is the basis for that?It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a f
k about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.Speaking for myself (as a driver, pedestrian, cyclist) I would prefer for the police to enforce all road laws. There is simply no basis for focusing on cyclists to the exclusion of others. It is completely irrational.
Hatred of cyclists stems from a loud but tiny minority. Like all extremists (hence the term).
PS - how many drivers have been fined £80 for leaving a "wheel nut" in a box junction?
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