Another cyclist dies in London

[Killboy]

Drivers stopping in bike boxes should get 6 points on their license. Use CCTV to enforce.

[TroubledSoul]

Killboy said:

Drivers stopping in bike boxes should get 6 points on their license. Use CCTV to enforce.

Nice try!

[The Dangerous Elk]

Killboy said:

Drivers stopping in bike boxes should get 6 points on their license. Use CCTV to enforce.

Why 6 points rather than the fines already prescribed for that transgression ? (which I think should be given)

How about this to help police the roads ?
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Transgressions on cycles should be transferable to a cyclists car (if he has one) license.

[Killboy]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Why 6 points rather than the fines already prescribed for that transgression ? (which I think should be given)

The fines are clearly not working, so points time.

The Dangerous Elk said:

How about this to help police the roads ?
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Transgressions on cycles should be transferable to a cyclists car (if he has one) license.

No problems with that.

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

Maybe I'm not experienced enough,

Perhaps the first sensible thing you have said.

[Digby]

Ares said:

Struggling to see the issue with that one? HGV saw the cyclists in the cycle lane, waited, then set off. Guy with camera (behind truck for what ever reason) turning with the truck - said 'Jesus Christ' but not sure who at?

Well, it's a tiny truck, on a nice clear day for a start. I couldn't care less why the truck is not where it should be, a few of those riders are fantastic idiots.

Maybe add thirty feet to the vehicle and some rain during a miserable Winters evening and perhaps it would strike you as stupid?

Then again, maybe it wouldn't. Perhaps you are like the rider in that clip which was doing the rounds who chastised the HGV driver who was in the correct lane, for clipping him (the rider) due to him being in the wrong lane.

I would suggest if you don't see an issue with the video and situations like those, you are part of the problem and probably encourage others to ride in a similar fashion.

I'll repeat my 'kids stuff' comment again, because I wouldn't ride down there as a child.

[Digby]

Let's have another example of what you could see a thousand times a day if you were able..

Ah, but hang on, the foreign driver left a foot or so of his wagon in a box junction for a moment. What a total moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxgUr75eCa4

[Mr2Mike]

The Dangerous Elk said:

How about this to help police the roads ?
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Transgressions on cycles should be transferable to a cyclists car (if he has one) license.

Wouldn't bother a (proper) cyclist since they aren't identifiable, unless plod stops them at the scene of the crime which is very rare.

To be fair cyclists already get a much harsher penalty for doing really stupid things e.g. being crushed under a car or HGV, though they don't seem to be quite so happy to accept that.

[Digby]

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Fortunately, most do not agree with you, including our Government.

I wonder how many more would be dead if everyone rode like that, rather than the cyclists willing to wait?

[nickfrog]

It's really not difficult to understand. Some cyclists are stupid, some drivers are stupid, probably in the same proportion, probably because they're both human. They probably happen to be the same person anyway on occasions. If anyone can't accept that, they are wasting their time posting anything else in this thread, or any thread for that matter.

[heebeegeetee]

nickfrog said:

It's really not difficult to understand. Some cyclists are stupid, some drivers are stupid, probably in the same proportion, probably because they're both human. They probably happen to be the same person anyway on occasions. If anyone can't accept that, they are wasting their time posting anything else in this thread, or any thread for that matter.

Exactly. Everybody is much the same, everybody does much the same. Most people lurk in blind spots, I'd suggest, even if us highly experienced PHers don't.

The Wail often likes to publish the dash cam clips.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5101167/HG...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4837058/Ch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKalVZLurDc

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

Exactly. Everybody is much the same, everybody does much the same. Most people lurk in blind spots, I'd suggest, even if us highly experienced PHers don't.

The Wail often likes to publish the dash cam clips.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5101167/HG...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4837058/Ch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKalVZLurDc

How many cyclists would have survived in those situations? Everybody is not "much the same"

And well done on selecting clips absolutely nothing like those we are talking about.

[The Dangerous Elk]

So ZERO to do with Cycling safety in London then, or am I missing your point ?

Mr hebeee, can you offer a method or technique or activity that may improve the situation on the ---exact--- point being made and reduce the "lets go down here next to the truck/bus" way of thinking ?

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Tuesday 21st November 18:41

[heebeegeetee]

Digby said:

How many cyclists would have survived in those situations? Everybody is not "much the same"

And well done on selecting clips absolutely nothing like those we are talking about.

Yeah, you keep inferring that it's ok for other people to crash because unlike cyclists, they're unlikely to die.

Thing is, of the 1800 or so people who die on uk roads annually, only about 100 are cyclists, so where are the other 1700 fatalities come from then?

[Vipers]

Digby said:

Let's have another example of what you could see a thousand times a day if you were able..

Ah, but hang on, the foreign driver left a foot or so of his wagon in a box junction for a moment. What a total moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxgUr75eCa4

So many cyclists with a death wish, tards.

[Digby]

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At least make an effort if you want to act like several others do on here.

[will_]

TroubledSoul said:

Exactly. Cyclists do stupid thing. Response; "Yeah but the wagon...."

The thing is, that the truck driver should not have been in the cycle box isn't up for dispute; we all know he shouldn't be. But Jesus man, what difference does that make in relation to people risking their lives going up his inside?

Well that's simply because it is very unusual for one party to be solely to blame in a collision in such circumstances

If that truck driver had turned into those cyclists he would also have been at fault as you acknowledge.

No-one has ever said that cyclists don't do stupid things. But they are not unique in being stupid - other road users are also stupid. As has been said repeatedly, whether someone is stupid or not is not defined by their mode of transport.

That video is dated from 2011. That junction (Vauxhall Bridge/Millbank heading West) has been re-designed in part to filter cyclists turning left off early.

[HaydnFisher]

Years ago when I was very very young I was with my mother and we (she turned me away from it) saw a woman cyclist get crushed under the wheels of a lorry outside of a school. I'm not saying that all cyclists need some sort of training, but they should be able to be held accountable, especially when they jump red lights, etc. It could cause mental trauma for years to anyone who has to deal with such a situation yet most wouldn't think much of it when jumping a light or thinking they could get somewhere quicker by sneaking by a lorry, it's sad

[will_]

TroubledSoul said:

will_ said:

It's a bit unfortunate that in the road safety crackdowns the drivers are handed more tickets than the cyclists - makes a nonsense of the claim that "breaking the law" is only a problem with cyclists.

Yeah because it's easy to identify and ticket cyclists, what with their registration plates etc.

Again, you have launched into a cycling thread half-cocked without doing even basic reading (like you did on the thread about Alliston).

The crackdown to which I refer was called Operation Safeway. Do some research and see why your comment regarding registration plates is irrelevant.

What is notable is that it is billed by some as an operation against cyclists, but in fact snared many more drivers - evidencing once again that law breaking on London's roads is not exclusive to cyclists - which shouldn't be a surprise.

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

Stats...

Like I said, well done on selecting clips which have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

What will you blame this one on? Been to the pub again? Can't remember what you typed again? Changed your opinions again? "Experience" from decades ago? Maybe it's easier to accuse me of being a fantasist liar again? Perhaps you can make things right with some stats and tales of visits to other countries?