Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[Mothersruin]

Escapegoat said:

Hayek said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

No - the most murderous countries are where the immigrants are coming from.

Top 25 Murder Rates By Country
Rank Country Murder Rate (Per 100,000 Inhabitants)
1 Honduras 91.6
2 El Salvador 69.2
3 Jamaica 52.2
4 Venezuela 45.1
5 Belize 41.4
6 Guatemala 38.5
7 Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
8 Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
9 Colombia 33.4
10 South Africa 31.1

Damn them Belizeans, coming here and bringing their murders with them.

Who collects the statistics in Afghanistan/Somalia/Libya etc etc...?

Not sure, but I don't think Mothersruin does it.

Nope, not me. It's hard enough for international agencies - why do you think I'd be doing it?

[mx5nut]

jjlynn27 said:

Hayek said:

There's a Times link just above.

That Times link tries to hide the true picture, they say that Sweden is one of the safest countries in the world.

B... but the headline said...

[jjlynn27]

Mothersruin said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

No - the most murderous countries are where the immigrants are coming from.

Top 25 Murder Rates By Country
Rank Country Murder Rate (Per 100,000 Inhabitants)
1 Honduras 91.6
2 El Salvador 69.2
3 Jamaica 52.2
4 Venezuela 45.1
5 Belize 41.4
6 Guatemala 38.5
7 Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
8 Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
9 Colombia 33.4
10 South Africa 31.1

Damn them Belizeans, coming here and bringing their murders with them.

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Mothersruin said:

But I have to ask why are you dismissing the factual content of the crime rates in Sweden? Do you deny there's a problem? What's your angle?

My angle is usually 74.39, what's yours?

Mothersruin said:

You are right to defend bigotry and racism where it exists but that's not what's being discussed here - in fact that's not the issue at all here.

What?

[jjlynn27]

Finlandia said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

https://www.svd.se/svenska-attacker-med-granater-sticker-ut-i-varlden

Användandet av handgranater bland kriminella i Sverige saknar motstycke i världen bland länder som inte är i krig. Det skriver polisen till regeringen i en delrapport som SvD tagit del av

Google translate:
The use of hand grenades among criminals in Sweden is unprecedented among countries that are not in war. The police writes in a report to the government that SvD has taken part of.


SvD, Svenska Dagbladet:
Format: Tabloid
First issue date: December 18, 1884
Political alignment: Independent Moderate (liberal conservative)


Not really right-wing nutjob wannabees, or infowars.

The use of hand grenades is a result of the availability of those mostly imported from Balkans. Mostly used by biker gangs, from the info that I was given. Given the homicide rates, they don't seem to be terribly effective, do they?

I do think that your hatred of Sweden is clouding your judgement somewhat.

[Mothersruin]

mx5nut said:

Mothersruin said:

But I have to ask why are you dismissing the factual content of the crime rates in Sweden? Do you deny there's a problem? What's your angle?

It's difficult to take those who claim there is seriously when they are so happy to twist, for example, the sexual assault stats (because they know that'll get the best emotional response from people) to suit their anti immigrant agenda.

If they were happy to let facts speak for themselves, we could be having a much more productive conversation.

We can infer that the reality does not fit the anti foreigner narrative well enough if they need to make things up.

I'm all for immigrants wanting to be an asset to their chosen country/community- I'm not anti-immigrant at all.

So, again - are the stats wrong, if so please explain - if not, then are they being attributed to the wrong demographic? if so, where does the issue lie?

[mx5nut]

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Brown people are immigrants when they move abroad. They "swarm" in to countries bringing death and destruction.

White people are ex-pats when they move abroad. They bring prosperity across the globe and enhance any country they arrive in.

[Mothersruin]

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

No - the most murderous countries are where the immigrants are coming from.

Top 25 Murder Rates By Country
Rank Country Murder Rate (Per 100,000 Inhabitants)
1 Honduras 91.6
2 El Salvador 69.2
3 Jamaica 52.2
4 Venezuela 45.1
5 Belize 41.4
6 Guatemala 38.5
7 Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
8 Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
9 Colombia 33.4
10 South Africa 31.1

Damn them Belizeans, coming here and bringing their murders with them.

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Mothersruin said:

But I have to ask why are you dismissing the factual content of the crime rates in Sweden? Do you deny there's a problem? What's your angle?

My angle is usually 74.39, what's yours?

Mothersruin said:

You are right to defend bigotry and racism where it exists but that's not what's being discussed here - in fact that's not the issue at all here.

What?

Countries - If you can't work out what is meant then sorry about that.

Angle - clever

What? - Bigotry and Racism are unfounded and irrational thoughts etc... Nothing unfounded and irrational about the crime increase stats in Sweden.

[Mothersruin]

mx5nut said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Brown people are immigrants when they move abroad. They "swarm" in to countries bringing death and destruction.

White people are ex-pats when they move abroad. They bring prosperity across the globe and enhance any country they arrive in.

You're getting hysterical - have a sit down love.

[mx5nut]

Mothersruin said:

mx5nut said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Brown people are immigrants when they move abroad. They "swarm" in to countries bringing death and destruction.

White people are ex-pats when they move abroad. They bring prosperity across the globe and enhance any country they arrive in.

You're getting hysterical - have a sit down love.

Do feel free to clarify what you meant by "immigranty type countries"

Your dog whistle may be faulty.

[amusingduck]

mx5nut said:

Mothersruin said:

mx5nut said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Brown people are immigrants when they move abroad. They "swarm" in to countries bringing death and destruction.

White people are ex-pats when they move abroad. They bring prosperity across the globe and enhance any country they arrive in.

You're getting hysterical - have a sit down love.

Do feel free to clarify what you meant by "immigranty type countries"

Your dog whistle may be faulty.

Much like looking for intelligent thought in your posts, the dog whistle is nowhere to be seen.

[Finlandia]

jjlynn27 said:

Finlandia said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

https://www.svd.se/svenska-attacker-med-granater-sticker-ut-i-varlden

Användandet av handgranater bland kriminella i Sverige saknar motstycke i världen bland länder som inte är i krig. Det skriver polisen till regeringen i en delrapport som SvD tagit del av

Google translate:
The use of hand grenades among criminals in Sweden is unprecedented among countries that are not in war. The police writes in a report to the government that SvD has taken part of.


SvD, Svenska Dagbladet:
Format: Tabloid
First issue date: December 18, 1884
Political alignment: Independent Moderate (liberal conservative)


Not really right-wing nutjob wannabees, or infowars.

The use of hand grenades is a result of the availability of those mostly imported from Balkans. Mostly used by biker gangs, from the info that I was given. Given the homicide rates, they don't seem to be terribly effective, do they?

I do think that your hatred of Sweden is clouding your judgement somewhat.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/WLq39a

Sverige är den största marknaden i Europa för illegala vapen från Balkan.
Det säger åklagaren Goran Glamocanin som har utrett flera fall där hundratals vapen skulle smugglas till Sverige.

Google translate:
Sweden is the largest market in Europe for illegal weapons from the Balkans.
This is what prosecutor Goran Glamocanin says, which has reported several cases where hundreds of weapons would be smuggled to Sweden.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/trend-...

Vilka är det som använder dem?
– Det är ju ofta unga killar som använder dem och de är ju såklart farliga både för dem och omgivningen. Vi har haft fall där man åkt moped och kastat en handgranat framåt och sedan kört efter i samma riktning

Google translate:
Who is using them?
"It is often young boys who use them, and of course they are dangerous both for them and the environment. We have had cases where you drove a moped and threw a hand grenade forward and then drove in the same direction


https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/somaliska-modra...

Sex unga män har dödats i den pågående konflikten mellan två gäng i Rinkeby. Fem av dem har somaliska rötter, och nu oroar sig somaliska mammor för att deras söner ska vara nästa offer i gänguppgörelsen.

Google translate:
Six young men have been killed in the ongoing conflict between two gangs in Rinkeby. Five of them have Somali roots, and now Somali mothers worry that their sons will be the next victim of the gang war.

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/qs/gangen-inifran...

En våg av gängmord skakar Stockholm – och polisen varnar för nya blodiga uppgörelser.
Expressens kartläggning av de kriminella nätverken visar att 82 procent har utländsk bakgrund och 57 procent bor i utsatta områden.

Google translate:
A wave of gangmurder shakes Stockholm - and the police warn of new bloody wars.
Expressen's mapping of the criminal networks shows that 82 percent have foreign backgrounds and 57 percent live in vulnerable areas.


As for my judgement being clouded, perhaps it is, but then again yours seem to be very rose tinted.

[jjlynn27]

Finlandia said:

jjlynn27 said:

Finlandia said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

https://www.svd.se/svenska-attacker-med-granater-sticker-ut-i-varlden

Användandet av handgranater bland kriminella i Sverige saknar motstycke i världen bland länder som inte är i krig. Det skriver polisen till regeringen i en delrapport som SvD tagit del av

Google translate:
The use of hand grenades among criminals in Sweden is unprecedented among countries that are not in war. The police writes in a report to the government that SvD has taken part of.


SvD, Svenska Dagbladet:
Format: Tabloid
First issue date: December 18, 1884
Political alignment: Independent Moderate (liberal conservative)


Not really right-wing nutjob wannabees, or infowars.

The use of hand grenades is a result of the availability of those mostly imported from Balkans. Mostly used by biker gangs, from the info that I was given. Given the homicide rates, they don't seem to be terribly effective, do they?

I do think that your hatred of Sweden is clouding your judgement somewhat.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/WLq39a

Sverige är den största marknaden i Europa för illegala vapen från Balkan.
Det säger åklagaren Goran Glamocanin som har utrett flera fall där hundratals vapen skulle smugglas till Sverige.

Google translate:
Sweden is the largest market in Europe for illegal weapons from the Balkans.
This is what prosecutor Goran Glamocanin says, which has reported several cases where hundreds of weapons would be smuggled to Sweden.

'Goran Glamocanin' would be very Balkan sort of name, so he'd probably know.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/trend-...

Finlandia said:

As for my judgement being clouded, perhaps it is, but then again yours seem to be very rose tinted.

Mine view is very rose-tinted, as I have fantastic memories from there. Don't deny that for one nano-second. There are obviously problems, and they should address them asap. No issue with that at all. It's still very far from the crime capital of Europe, let alone world, as presented here.

[Mrr T]

Boosted LS1 said:

^ That sums up what I've been hearing for years. The EU has a lot to answer.

What exactly is the EU to blame for? They are NOT EU citizens, they are from outside the EU. The EU does not set policies on immigration from outside the EU.

[Finlandia]

jjlynn27 said:

Finlandia said:

jjlynn27 said:

Finlandia said:

jjlynn27 said:

Reading this thread, you'd get the picture that Sweden is the most murderous country in the world. Then you realize that it's mostly posts by wanna-be right-wing nutjobs, getting their information from Infowars.

https://www.svd.se/svenska-attacker-med-granater-sticker-ut-i-varlden

Användandet av handgranater bland kriminella i Sverige saknar motstycke i världen bland länder som inte är i krig. Det skriver polisen till regeringen i en delrapport som SvD tagit del av

Google translate:
The use of hand grenades among criminals in Sweden is unprecedented among countries that are not in war. The police writes in a report to the government that SvD has taken part of.


SvD, Svenska Dagbladet:
Format: Tabloid
First issue date: December 18, 1884
Political alignment: Independent Moderate (liberal conservative)


Not really right-wing nutjob wannabees, or infowars.

The use of hand grenades is a result of the availability of those mostly imported from Balkans. Mostly used by biker gangs, from the info that I was given. Given the homicide rates, they don't seem to be terribly effective, do they?

I do think that your hatred of Sweden is clouding your judgement somewhat.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/WLq39a

Sverige är den största marknaden i Europa för illegala vapen från Balkan.
Det säger åklagaren Goran Glamocanin som har utrett flera fall där hundratals vapen skulle smugglas till Sverige.

Google translate:
Sweden is the largest market in Europe for illegal weapons from the Balkans.
This is what prosecutor Goran Glamocanin says, which has reported several cases where hundreds of weapons would be smuggled to Sweden.

'Goran Glamocanin' would be very Balkan sort of name, so he'd probably know.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/trend-...

Finlandia said:

As for my judgement being clouded, perhaps it is, but then again yours seem to be very rose tinted.

Mine view is very rose-tinted, as I have fantastic memories from there. Don't deny that for one nano-second. There are obviously problems, and they should address them asap. No issue with that at all. It's still very far from the crime capital of Europe, let alone world, as presented here.

Military weapons are brought in from the Balkans, then used by criminal gangs in the suburbs, these gangs are mainly immigrant background.

"The use of hand grenades among criminals in Sweden is unprecedented among countries that are not in war" sounds pretty bad, don't you agree, and pretty much means that Sweden is the crime capital of the world when it comes to the use of hand grenades.

[Boosted LS1]

mx5nut said:

jjlynn27 said:

Mothersruin said:

I found a similar list that roughly tallies with yours - it also shows that much of the immigranty type countries - Africa and Middle East for example, are up there too just not the top ten.

Immigranty type countries?

Brown people are immigrants when they move abroad. They "swarm" in to countries bringing death and destruction.

White people are ex-pats when they move abroad. They bring prosperity across the globe and enhance any country they arrive in.

Sounds about right. For once you've said something intelligent. We created the British Empire and the Commonwealth. We also provided infrastructure, railways and a legal system. Many of those countries couldn't get their goods to sea ports without our railways.

[Boosted LS1]

Mrr T said:

Boosted LS1 said:

^ That sums up what I've been hearing for years. The EU has a lot to answer.

What exactly is the EU to blame for? They are NOT EU citizens, they are from outside the EU. The EU does not set policies on immigration from outside the EU.

The EU tells Sweden how many migrants it must accept.

https://www.thelocal.se/20150527/eu-to-unveil-late...

[Escapegoat]

Boosted LS1 said:

Sounds about right. For once you've said something intelligent. We created the British Empire and the Commonwealth. We also provided infrastructure, railways and a legal system. Many of those countries couldn't get their goods to sea ports without our railways.

Now you're doing Monty Python? It was satirical.

[Mrr T]

Boosted LS1 said:

Mrr T said:

Boosted LS1 said:

^ That sums up what I've been hearing for years. The EU has a lot to answer.

What exactly is the EU to blame for? They are NOT EU citizens, they are from outside the EU. The EU does not set policies on immigration from outside the EU.

The EU tells Sweden how many migrants it must accept.

https://www.thelocal.se/20150527/eu-to-unveil-late...

A link to a newspaper article does not prove anything. The Schengen agreement, which is now EU law, does allow a country to request assistance with immigrants and other EU countries are then committed to accepting the immigrants. Under this the EU has calculated Sweden should accept, according to the article about 1,300 new immigrants. So about 0.013% of the population of Sweden. However, if you do a bit more research you will also find not one person has yet been moved. So no the problem is nothing to do with the EU.

[Looket]

Glad to see this thread still going strong. Well, actually I'm not glad at all but you see what I mean.

I do however note that the people who actually have a lot invested in Sweden tend to see the situation for what it is. I fondly remember Brabus telling me I was a bit of an alarmist before moving, but that didn't seem to last long. And on the other hand you have a handful of people that show up in each and every thread to peddle the same old narrative, having not an iota of experience or knowledge about the country beyond what they read in their approved news outlets.

[mx5nut]

Mrr T said:

Boosted LS1 said:

^ That sums up what I've been hearing for years. The EU has a lot to answer.

What exactly is the EU to blame for? They are NOT EU citizens, they are from outside the EU. The EU does not set policies on immigration from outside the EU.

Some have been brainwashed to blame everything on the EU. It's a hard habit to break.