Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[rscott]

Finlandia said:

Swedish state run television (SVT) news any better?

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/antalet-sprangd...


236 sprängningar till och med den 30 november i år

236 bombings as of 30th of November this year

Thanks - much more reliable.

[Countdown]

Earthdweller said:

Countdown said:

That's shocking. London used to be such a peaceful place.

When ?

Before the Swedish moved in. Logically, if that bloke hadn't moved to London there would have been 1 less murder. Ergo it became more dangerous after he relocated to London.....

[WhiskyDisco]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7833413/R...

Appears that the Malmo criminal underworld is moving into London now.

[Chester35]

I really enjoyed my holiday a couple of years back for my wife's 50th birthday. Although just Stockholm you do get a flavour for the country I thiink. Did an Easyjet weekend and then stayed at the SAS Radisson on the harbour.

If you get the tower suite like we did, up at the top you get some good views.








Whilst out and about. a lazy goose/ swan /volvo .



After a really nice day wandering about, time for supper



being a northerner was horror struck on the pudding to plate ratio ...



Unfortunately I didn't know the Swedish for "Can I have seconds please".

Anyhow, I really recommend you go there. Fantastic place.

And the only thing that got blown up was my wallet............

Rather than posting on here go and visit the place. How many have done that?

Edited by Chester35 on Tuesday 31st December 17:57

[Down and out]

Well that's it then, Chester had a great holiday.
Might as well close the thread.

[Finlandia]

Chester35 said:

Although just Stockholm you do get a flavour for the country I thiink.

Rather than posting on here go and visit the place. How many have done that?

Edited by Chester35 on Tuesday 31st December 17:57

No you don't, Stockholm is to Sweden what London is to the UK and New York to the US, nothing like the rest of the country.

Rather than posting after having spent a weekend in luxury a few years ago, try living here for a longer time, then come back and report how you like it.


I remember one of the frequent posters here had pretty much only good things to say about Sweden, then he tried living here a while, changed his mind somewhat.

[citizensm1th]

If i am not in Stockholm i stay in strängnäs other than the theft of some crown jewels ( by a swede)

it is hardly the big metropolis

i bet you are going to tell me that strängnäs is not the real sweden either

[Finlandia]

citizensm1th said:

If i am not in Stockholm i stay in strängnäs other than the theft of some crown jewels ( by a swede)

it is hardly the big metropolis

i bet you are going to tell me that strängnäs is not the real sweden either

Most crimes are committed by Swedes, be they from a straight downward bloodline from Gustav Vasa, or a newly acquired citizenship.

Strängnäs, while not crime central has had its fair share of crime in the year gone by, off the top of my head, a quite high profile kidnapping, child rape, at least one shooting, and the mentioned crown jewel theft.

At least it's quieter there than in nearby Eskilstuna and Enköping.

[citizensm1th]

Finlandia said:

citizensm1th said:

If i am not in Stockholm i stay in strängnäs other than the theft of some crown jewels ( by a swede)

it is hardly the big metropolis

i bet you are going to tell me that strängnäs is not the real sweden either

Most crimes are committed by Swedes, be they from a straight downward bloodline from Gustav Vasa, or a newly acquired citizenship.

Strängnäs, while not crime central has had its fair share of crime in the year gone by, off the top of my head, a quite high profile kidnapping, child rape, at least one shooting, and the mentioned crown jewel theft.

At least it's quieter there than in nearby Eskilstuna and Enköping.

I doubt there is a town of a reasonable size anywhere in the world that doesn't have crime. that said just because human beings can be scummy it doesn't mean that the countries those towns are in are invariably heading to hell in a handcart

this thread started off as troll bait claiming sweden was/is being over taken by lefties and immigrants which is patently bks, all countries have problems with scummy people and on the whole those of us in western europe have it very very good compared to the rest of the world.

european civilisation is not under threat as some would have you believe

[Finlandia]

citizensm1th said:

Finlandia said:

citizensm1th said:

If i am not in Stockholm i stay in strängnäs other than the theft of some crown jewels ( by a swede)

it is hardly the big metropolis

i bet you are going to tell me that strängnäs is not the real sweden either

Most crimes are committed by Swedes, be they from a straight downward bloodline from Gustav Vasa, or a newly acquired citizenship.

Strängnäs, while not crime central has had its fair share of crime in the year gone by, off the top of my head, a quite high profile kidnapping, child rape, at least one shooting, and the mentioned crown jewel theft.

At least it's quieter there than in nearby Eskilstuna and Enköping.

I doubt there is a town of a reasonable size anywhere in the world that doesn't have crime. that said just because human beings can be scummy it doesn't mean that the countries those towns are in are invariably heading to hell in a handcart

this thread started off as troll bait claiming sweden was/is being over taken by lefties and immigrants which is patently bks, all countries have problems with scummy people and on the whole those of us in western europe have it very very good compared to the rest of the world.

european civilisation is not under threat as some would have you believe

Reasonable size, Strängnäs kommun (which consists of quite a few "villages" shall we call them) with a population of 35,000 or Strängnäs tätort (the "town" itself) with a population of 13,000. For such a small place there has been a bit too much going on crime-wise lately.

The crime is only one aspect of the problem, another and bigger problem is the cost, I believe Strängnäs is about to be hit this year and has already raised concerns about cuts in schools. This in a kommun where the party leader of the second biggest party in Sweden lives, one would think that such an important politician would make sure the home county is well looked after.

Why is the economy in such poor state then? Benefits for the unemployable is a big part. A recent study shows that it takes 10 years before half of the newly arrived immigrants have secured a job that pays enough to live on.

Then we have the housing shortage, 240 out of 290 kommuner say they have housing shortage. A new law was brought in last year which meant that each kommun is responsible for housing those living there. Another law was also brought in, which forced every single kommun to accept an appointed amount of newly arrived immigrants.

The PM himself said as recently as a month ago that no-one could foresee the problems we now have, and he even pointed out the issues behind the problems, namely that the unemployment in these areas is too high and that there is not enough housing in nicer areas to strive for, he also pointed out that if you put Swedish born people in the same situation, we would see the same problems.

Two things, plenty of people saw this coming and tried to raise the issues we have at hand. The violence we see is mainly committed by people born in Sweden to parents from outside of Europe.

Immigration and integration has totally failed, until a fix can be applied, we will not see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[citizensm1th]

Sweden. Has had a housing shortage since I first went there in the late 80,s

[Down and out]

citizensm1th said:

Sweden. Has had a housing shortage since I first went there in the late 80,s

Opening the flood gates wasn't a particularly bright idea then.

[Finlandia]

citizensm1th said:

Sweden. Has had a housing shortage since I first went there in the late 80,s

There has never been a housing shortage of these proportions before.

Down and out said:

Opening the flood gates wasn't a particularly bright idea then.

No, and that's saying it politely.

[BrabusMog]

Finlandia said:

No you don't, Stockholm is to Sweden what London is to the UK and New York to the US, nothing like the rest of the country.

Rather than posting after having spent a weekend in luxury a few years ago, try living here for a longer time, then come back and report how you like it.


I remember one of the frequent posters here had pretty much only good things to say about Sweden, then he tried living here a while, changed his mind somewhat.

That would be me. I split my time between the UK and Lilla Edet (Göta). Properly eye opening when I was living here full time!

[Digga]

WhiskyDisco said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7833413/R...

Appears that the Malmo criminal underworld is moving into London now.

The headlines talk about "Swedish" gangs coming to London.

But here's the reality:

daily Wail said:

Mr Beqiri, of Albanian heritage

Nothing new. UK police have, for some time, been extremely concerned about imported criminal activity from Eastern Europe and Albania in particular.

[Finlandia]

Digga said:

WhiskyDisco said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7833413/R...

Appears that the Malmo criminal underworld is moving into London now.

The headlines talk about "Swedish" gangs coming to London.

But here's the reality:

daily Wail said:

Mr Beqiri, of Albanian heritage

Nothing new. UK police have, for some time, been extremely concerned about imported criminal activity from Eastern Europe and Albania in particular.

Not to piss on your parade, but...

Beqiri was a Swedish national, unsure if he was born in Sweden, still with an address in Malmö. Could it be that he and his little family were still receiving benefits from Sweden, just like the (ex) minister of defence of Iraq?

In 2008 there was a spectacular robbery in Bröndby, Denmark, 60 odd million DKKs worth. There were 14 guys, as far as we know, involved in the robbery itself, 8 Swedes, 5 Danes and one French guy, they were caught and received prison sentences of around 7 to 10 years each, one was shot dead on the streets of Malmö before he got caught.
The money was never retrieved, apart from 3.5 million DKK.

This is where it gets interesting. Remember this.

Finlandia said:

the execution, point blank headshot, of an innocent mother carrying her few months old baby in her arms in Malmö two weeks ago.

That woman was the girlfriend of one of the robbers, on that day in August in Malmö, he, his girlfriend and their baby were stepping out of their house, he carried the baby, and was greeted by two guys shooting at him. He dropped the baby as he tried to escape, the girlfriend picked up the baby, and was shot in the head, the guy and baby survived.

Beqiri, as mentioned, was one of the robbers too, same MO as in the Malmö case. This is likely to be connected to the robbery, and not so much to do with the Albanian maffia.

[anonymous-user]

I'm going back about 9 years or so now, but I used to go to Malmo to visit clients, typically took the train from Denmark across the bridge. The centre of Malmo was nice and I enjoyed staying there, but you could see from the train on the way in it wasn't all sweetness and light. Our clients (in the high-end oudoor goods sector) were also finding life very hard as the worldwide economic issues began to bite.

I'd imagine Sweden has its fair share of domestic issues as any other western developed nations do.

[BrabusMog]

[FiF]

Finlandia said:

Digga said:

WhiskyDisco said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7833413/R...

Appears that the Malmo criminal underworld is moving into London now.

The headlines talk about "Swedish" gangs coming to London.

But here's the reality:

daily Wail said:

Mr Beqiri, of Albanian heritage

Nothing new. UK police have, for some time, been extremely concerned about imported criminal activity from Eastern Europe and Albania in particular.

Not to piss on your parade, but...

Beqiri was a Swedish national, unsure if he was born in Sweden, still with an address in Malmö. Could it be that he and his little family were still receiving benefits from Sweden, just like the (ex) minister of defence of Iraq?

In 2008 there was a spectacular robbery in Bröndby, Denmark, 60 odd million DKKs worth. There were 14 guys, as far as we know, involved in the robbery itself, 8 Swedes, 5 Danes and one French guy, they were caught and received prison sentences of around 7 to 10 years each, one was shot dead on the streets of Malmö before he got caught.
The money was never retrieved, apart from 3.5 million DKK.

This is where it gets interesting. Remember this.

Finlandia said:

the execution, point blank headshot, of an innocent mother carrying her few months old baby in her arms in Malmö two weeks ago.

That woman was the girlfriend of one of the robbers, on that day in August in Malmö, he, his girlfriend and their baby were stepping out of their house, he carried the baby, and was greeted by two guys shooting at him. He dropped the baby as he tried to escape, the girlfriend picked up the baby, and was shot in the head, the guy and baby survived.

Beqiri, as mentioned, was one of the robbers too, same MO as in the Malmö case. This is likely to be connected to the robbery, and not so much to do with the Albanian maffia.

Two points, one a clarification.

He was born in Kosovo, is from an Albanian community there. Travelled to Sweden however and as is common, settled and obtained Swedish nationality.

His execution is considered by Säpo to be connected with that robbery and other criminal activities in Sweden and Scandinavia.

[Finlandia]

Another bombing, in the very affluent Östermalm part of Stockholm this time.




A second one in Uppsala as well, a few hours after the blast in Stockholm.