Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

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Jonesy23

4,650 posts

100 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Most people tend to ignore or disbelieve horrible things until they see them getting close.

Give it a month or two and we'll know for sure how well it all worked.

Finlandia

7,803 posts

195 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Randy Winkman said:
citizensm1th said:
This thread is hilarious, the irony of an immigrant complaining about the immigration and health policy of the country that he/she moved to.
It is hilarious but we have a rather one-sided view of things from the PH "I hate Sweden" correspondent. "Riots"? FFS.

It's not the view I have from Swedish relatives in Stockholm. One of which is a nurse on a CV ward.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/wPG4zG/poliser-redo-kan-bli-coronastokigt-vid-sjukhus

citizensm1th

7,968 posts

101 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable

amusingduck

9,172 posts

100 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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citizensm1th said:
Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable
I didn't have you down as an extreme-right type, yet here you are telling an immigrant to 'go home' laugh

citizensm1th

7,968 posts

101 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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amusingduck said:
citizensm1th said:
Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable
I didn't have you down as an extreme-right type, yet here you are telling an immigrant to 'go home' laugh
My bad I thought that was the standard for this thread? Could you imagine the reaction on PH if an immigrant was to come on here and moan about the UK government and its policies but no we can accept hypocrisy when it involves another country.

Randy Winkman

9,487 posts

153 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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citizensm1th said:
Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable
Seems reasonable to have all sorts of fully trained people in such unusual circumstances. Don't you agree?

And whether you do or not - are you actually expecting riots? It's the general OMG! tone of your recent update that got me. Why do you live in Sweden whilst having your own personal "Sweden is awful" thread?

Finlandia

7,803 posts

195 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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citizensm1th said:
amusingduck said:
citizensm1th said:
Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable
I didn't have you down as an extreme-right type, yet here you are telling an immigrant to 'go home' laugh
My bad I thought that was the standard for this thread? Could you imagine the reaction on PH if an immigrant was to come on here and moan about the UK government and its policies but no we can accept hypocrisy when it involves another country.
Anything to say about the riot police on standby at hospitals?

BrabusMog

17,519 posts

150 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Finlandia said:
citizensm1th said:
amusingduck said:
citizensm1th said:
Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable
I didn't have you down as an extreme-right type, yet here you are telling an immigrant to 'go home' laugh
My bad I thought that was the standard for this thread? Could you imagine the reaction on PH if an immigrant was to come on here and moan about the UK government and its policies but no we can accept hypocrisy when it involves another country.
Anything to say about the riot police on standby at hospitals?
laugh don't get your facts in the way of socialist ideology laugh

Seriously, if you haven't lived in Sweden you really don't know what it is like. I used to think people were mental on this thread a few years ago until I actually bought a place and lived here, it is not the paradise people think it is!

citizensm1th

7,968 posts

101 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Finlandia said:
citizensm1th said:
amusingduck said:
citizensm1th said:
Finlandia said:
Go home you might find life more enjoyable
I didn't have you down as an extreme-right type, yet here you are telling an immigrant to 'go home' laugh
My bad I thought that was the standard for this thread? Could you imagine the reaction on PH if an immigrant was to come on here and moan about the UK government and its policies but no we can accept hypocrisy when it involves another country.
Anything to say about the riot police on standby at hospitals?
Nope, no opinion what so ever for a whole host of reasons one of which is I don't have a stick up my arse about a country that I am not a native of

TurboRob

167 posts

137 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Fredrick Erixon’s article below appears to sum up Sweden’s approach.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-lockdown-pl...

Albeit 6 days out of date now!

citizensm1th

7,968 posts

101 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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BrabusMog said:
laugh don't get your facts in the way of socialist ideology laugh

Seriously, if you haven't lived in Sweden you really don't know what it is like. I used to think people were mental on this thread a few years ago until I actually bought a place and lived here, it is not the paradise people think it is!
I don't think anyone is saying it is paradise, but it is not the madmax society that is pushed on this thread either

BrabusMog

17,519 posts

150 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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citizensm1th said:
BrabusMog said:
laugh don't get your facts in the way of socialist ideology laugh

Seriously, if you haven't lived in Sweden you really don't know what it is like. I used to think people were mental on this thread a few years ago until I actually bought a place and lived here, it is not the paradise people think it is!
I don't think anyone is saying it is paradise, but it is not the madmax society that is pushed on this thread either
Nobody is saying it is like that, just that there are severe social issues that are ignored or, even worse (in my opinion), suppressed so that talking about them becomes taboo, This, in turn, causes people to just chatter about it in private and be resentful but never dare to express their opinion in public. I have a place in a small town about 40km from Gothenburg and suspect that I see a more "real" side of Sweden than people that live in a cosy suburb of Stockholm.

I also don't understand why Finlandia isn't allowed to express an opinion on the country he lives in and the kommun he pays his taxes to because he is Finnish. My father in law is Finnish but has lived in Sweden for 60 years, is he allowed an opinion on the country he has paid taxes to his entire adult life?

citizensm1th

7,968 posts

101 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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BrabusMog said:
Nobody is saying it is like that, just that there are severe social issues that are ignored or, even worse (in my opinion), suppressed so that talking about them becomes taboo, This, in turn, causes people to just chatter about it in private and be resentful but never dare to express their opinion in public. I have a place in a small town about 40km from Gothenburg and suspect that I see a more "real" side of Sweden than people that live in a cosy suburb of Stockholm.

I also don't understand why Finlandia isn't allowed to express an opinion on the country he lives in and the kommun he pays his taxes to because he is Finnish. My father in law is Finnish but has lived in Sweden for 60 years, is he allowed an opinion on the country he has paid taxes to his entire adult life?
Yes an immigrant railing against other immigrants should just be over looked because one immigrant is not Somalian or afghan. Nothing to see here what so ever

BrabusMog

17,519 posts

150 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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citizensm1th said:
BrabusMog said:
Nobody is saying it is like that, just that there are severe social issues that are ignored or, even worse (in my opinion), suppressed so that talking about them becomes taboo, This, in turn, causes people to just chatter about it in private and be resentful but never dare to express their opinion in public. I have a place in a small town about 40km from Gothenburg and suspect that I see a more "real" side of Sweden than people that live in a cosy suburb of Stockholm.

I also don't understand why Finlandia isn't allowed to express an opinion on the country he lives in and the kommun he pays his taxes to because he is Finnish. My father in law is Finnish but has lived in Sweden for 60 years, is he allowed an opinion on the country he has paid taxes to his entire adult life?
Yes an immigrant railing against other immigrants should just be over looked because one immigrant is not Somalian or afghan. Nothing to see here what so ever
One contributor to society gets annoyed when others don't contribute to society. Hardly a new thing.

citizensm1th

7,968 posts

101 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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BrabusMog said:
citizensm1th said:
BrabusMog said:
Nobody is saying it is like that, just that there are severe social issues that are ignored or, even worse (in my opinion), suppressed so that talking about them becomes taboo, This, in turn, causes people to just chatter about it in private and be resentful but never dare to express their opinion in public. I have a place in a small town about 40km from Gothenburg and suspect that I see a more "real" side of Sweden than people that live in a cosy suburb of Stockholm.

I also don't understand why Finlandia isn't allowed to express an opinion on the country he lives in and the kommun he pays his taxes to because he is Finnish. My father in law is Finnish but has lived in Sweden for 60 years, is he allowed an opinion on the country he has paid taxes to his entire adult life?
Yes an immigrant railing against other immigrants should just be over looked because one immigrant is not Somalian or afghan. Nothing to see here what so ever
One contributor to society gets annoyed when others don't contribute to society. Hardly a new thing.
Ahhh so that's the excuse

BrabusMog

17,519 posts

150 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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citizensm1th said:
BrabusMog said:
citizensm1th said:
BrabusMog said:
Nobody is saying it is like that, just that there are severe social issues that are ignored or, even worse (in my opinion), suppressed so that talking about them becomes taboo, This, in turn, causes people to just chatter about it in private and be resentful but never dare to express their opinion in public. I have a place in a small town about 40km from Gothenburg and suspect that I see a more "real" side of Sweden than people that live in a cosy suburb of Stockholm.

I also don't understand why Finlandia isn't allowed to express an opinion on the country he lives in and the kommun he pays his taxes to because he is Finnish. My father in law is Finnish but has lived in Sweden for 60 years, is he allowed an opinion on the country he has paid taxes to his entire adult life?
Yes an immigrant railing against other immigrants should just be over looked because one immigrant is not Somalian or afghan. Nothing to see here what so ever
One contributor to society gets annoyed when others don't contribute to society. Hardly a new thing.
Ahhh so that's the excuse
What on earth are you blithering on about lol laugh

Randy Winkman

9,487 posts

153 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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BrabusMog said:
citizensm1th said:
BrabusMog said:
laugh don't get your facts in the way of socialist ideology laugh

Seriously, if you haven't lived in Sweden you really don't know what it is like. I used to think people were mental on this thread a few years ago until I actually bought a place and lived here, it is not the paradise people think it is!
I don't think anyone is saying it is paradise, but it is not the madmax society that is pushed on this thread either
Nobody is saying it is like that, just that there are severe social issues that are ignored or, even worse (in my opinion), suppressed so that talking about them becomes taboo, This, in turn, causes people to just chatter about it in private and be resentful but never dare to express their opinion in public. I have a place in a small town about 40km from Gothenburg and suspect that I see a more "real" side of Sweden than people that live in a cosy suburb of Stockholm.

I also don't understand why Finlandia isn't allowed to express an opinion on the country he lives in and the kommun he pays his taxes to because he is Finnish. My father in law is Finnish but has lived in Sweden for 60 years, is he allowed an opinion on the country he has paid taxes to his entire adult life?
I think you'll find Finlandia is allowed to do that. I just think it makes for a rather odd thread and as I said, the recent post looked a bit OTT compared with other feedback I've heard.

Does anyone actually think it's a bad idea for there to be 20 trained police officers available in support of Stockholm's hospitals in case things get nasty? I don't think it means society is collapsing there.

BrabusMog

17,519 posts

150 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Randy Winkman said:
I think you'll find Finlandia is allowed to do that. I just think it makes for a rather odd thread and as I said, the recent post looked a bit OTT compared with other feedback I've heard.

Does anyone actually think it's a bad idea for there to be 20 trained police officers available in support of Stockholm's hospitals in case things get nasty? I don't think it means society is collapsing there.
That's a fair enough point, probably not a bad idea at all. Didn't realise that is what had caused the other poster to get so hysterical, people should be able to see both sides of the coin and not start getting annoyed because someone doesn't sit on their side of the fence...

Finlandia

7,803 posts

195 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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FYI, I am not railing against immigrants (unless they are trigger-happy gangmembers), but the leadership of the country.

If it's a good idea to have riot police on standby at hospitals, who knows, but why is it deemed necessary in the first place.

Fine, you don't want to shut down the country, but at least make it mandatory to adhere to social distancing and self isolation if you enter the country from a hotshot.


Still, at least the latest death toll is down to 77.


br d

7,608 posts

190 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Citizensm1th is right though Fin, as an immigrant yourself you need to be aware of living in glass houses and all that.

I mean, you've only got to consider all those inner-city areas we're large swathes of Finnish people have moved in and are busily conducting gang-warfare, grenade attacks and pushing the rape count to the highest level the countries ever seen.

Honestly, you shouldn't be allowed an opinion.