Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?
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The Swedish prime minister will NOT hold a snap election and has instead asked the Speaker of the Riksdag to find a new coalition in parliament.
The Speaker of the Riksdag now has four chances to propose a candidate who doesn't get voted down.
If they all lose, there will automatically be another election, and currently parliament is evenly split.
The Speaker of the Riksdag now has four chances to propose a candidate who doesn't get voted down.
If they all lose, there will automatically be another election, and currently parliament is evenly split.
An on-duty police officer was murdered last night in Gothenburg, the officer died in hospital after being wounded in a shooting in Biskopsgården in Hisingen.
This is the first time in 14 years in Sweden that a police officer has been attacked and killed in the line of duty.
https://www.intelligencefusion.co.uk/insights/reso...
This is the first time in 14 years in Sweden that a police officer has been attacked and killed in the line of duty.
https://www.intelligencefusion.co.uk/insights/reso...
gareth_r said:
Spectator: Sweden’s gun crime epidemic is spiralling out of control
The country's spate of bombings has no equivalent in the Western world
WRITTEN BY Paulina Neuding
Paulina Neuding is a Swedish journalist who writes for Svenska Dagbladet.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-s-the-cau...
Coming from a liberal this is a most ironic statement:The country's spate of bombings has no equivalent in the Western world
WRITTEN BY Paulina Neuding
Paulina Neuding is a Swedish journalist who writes for Svenska Dagbladet.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-s-the-cau...
"As the liberal daily Expressen commented in a recent editorial: ‘How could we allow Sweden to turn into Europe’s gangster paradise?’"
You get what you wish for.
I’ve been reading this thread for months and this is the first time I’ve posted on here.
One thing that confuses me is that I always thought diversity was supposed to be our strength?
How come all of these scientists, engineers and school teachers are running around shooting each other and blowing each other up? Or is this sudden crime spike over the last few years entirely caused by native Swedes?
One thing that confuses me is that I always thought diversity was supposed to be our strength?
How come all of these scientists, engineers and school teachers are running around shooting each other and blowing each other up? Or is this sudden crime spike over the last few years entirely caused by native Swedes?
105.4 said:
How come all of these scientists, engineers and school teachers are running around shooting each other and blowing each other up? Or is this sudden crime spike over the last few years entirely caused by native Swedes?
I know the answer to those questions but it would be classed as racist of me to comment and I'd probably get arrested and loose my job. Lagom said:
105.4 said:
How come all of these scientists, engineers and school teachers are running around shooting each other and blowing each other up? Or is this sudden crime spike over the last few years entirely caused by native Swedes?
I know the answer to those questions but it would be classed as racist of me to comment and I'd probably get arrested and loose my job. 
I know the answers to my questions.
You know the answers to my questions.
But still, those telling an inconvenient truth must be punished, as opposed to those responsible for the situation.
Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — Karl Popper
Our laws in Sweden are written for Swedes and they simply do not work on a certain kind of immigrant who only feels contempt for a society that allows itself to be trampled on.
It says something about Sweden and about the mentality of the social elite when the National Police Chief can not decide who he feels most sorry for, the murder victim or the killer.
The previous police chef said the same thing after a 22-year-old woman was murdered by an "unaccompanied refugee child" at a hvb home in Mölndal in January 2016.
The murdered policeman died on duty. His partner lost her husband. The child she is carrying will never meet her father. The victim's parents will never see their son again. To shoot another person to death in the way that happened in Biskopsgården is an adult crime that deserves an adult punishment.
For the victim, it does not matter if the person who stabs them to death or fires the shots is 15, 25, 35 or older. Legislators - and others with them - think differently.
Anyone who has reached the age of 18 has the right to vote and can also be elected to the Riksdag, ie is considered fully capable of enacting the laws that are to apply equally to all. However, an 18-year-old is not considered fully responsible for any criminal acts. Criminals under the age of 21 receive a penalty rebate that increases with decreasing age.
Anyone under the age of 18 should normally be sentenced to closed youth care. There, the maximum sentence is four years. With the usual conditional release after two thirds of the sentence, there will be under 3 years in prison.
The suspect in the police murder was sentenced as a 15-year-old to one year in closed youth care for attempted murder after stabbing a man on a tram in Gothenburg. Had he - if it was him - shot the policeman if he had received a harsher punishment that time? Who knows. But if he had received a longer sentence, he would not have been out on the street that fateful evening when the shots fell in Biskopsgården - the verdict for the attempted murder fell just over a year ago.
It says something about Sweden and about the mentality of the social elite when the National Police Chief can not decide who he feels most sorry for, the murder victim or the killer.
The previous police chef said the same thing after a 22-year-old woman was murdered by an "unaccompanied refugee child" at a hvb home in Mölndal in January 2016.
The murdered policeman died on duty. His partner lost her husband. The child she is carrying will never meet her father. The victim's parents will never see their son again. To shoot another person to death in the way that happened in Biskopsgården is an adult crime that deserves an adult punishment.
For the victim, it does not matter if the person who stabs them to death or fires the shots is 15, 25, 35 or older. Legislators - and others with them - think differently.
Anyone who has reached the age of 18 has the right to vote and can also be elected to the Riksdag, ie is considered fully capable of enacting the laws that are to apply equally to all. However, an 18-year-old is not considered fully responsible for any criminal acts. Criminals under the age of 21 receive a penalty rebate that increases with decreasing age.
Anyone under the age of 18 should normally be sentenced to closed youth care. There, the maximum sentence is four years. With the usual conditional release after two thirds of the sentence, there will be under 3 years in prison.
The suspect in the police murder was sentenced as a 15-year-old to one year in closed youth care for attempted murder after stabbing a man on a tram in Gothenburg. Had he - if it was him - shot the policeman if he had received a harsher punishment that time? Who knows. But if he had received a longer sentence, he would not have been out on the street that fateful evening when the shots fell in Biskopsgården - the verdict for the attempted murder fell just over a year ago.
Edited by Lagom on Saturday 10th July 14:07
It isn’t working because the “new” population have no regard for the old established order that prevailed in Sweden. It’s as simple as that. They really need to establish law and order and if that means more draconian measures then so be it. People with nothing to lose only have their liberty to lose and if the threat of that is too lenient then you have no real threat.
Canute said:
Sorry, but nothing in this thread recently resembles any near truth. This thread should probably be closed down as it's getting hijacked somewhat with people who can't represent an actual, balanced account of what is happening here in Sverige.
I find this thread fascinating. Are you saying this thread is completely inaccurate and all is well in Sweden or it is worse than portrayed here? Genuinely curious on differing views on the same events, thanks.How many of recent bombings and shootings have been done by recent arrivals? Like someone who has moved into Sweden 2015 or later? I think just about every case except very few are by 2nd or 3rd generation who have lived in Sweden all their lives. It seems recent refugees and certain type of crime is lumped together when actual criminal gang members are separate group.
MikeStroud said:
Canute said:
Sorry, but nothing in this thread recently resembles any near truth. This thread should probably be closed down as it's getting hijacked somewhat with people who can't represent an actual, balanced account of what is happening here in Sverige.
I find this thread fascinating. Are you saying this thread is completely inaccurate and all is well in Sweden or it is worse than portrayed here? Genuinely curious on differing views on the same events, thanks.Are you saying these shootings and bombings arent happening ?
That there isn’t an underlying gang problem predominantly among immigrant groups, and particularly recently arrived migrants ?
Or is it that you don’t see it living in a middle class bubble ?
How is the reporting on here, and elsewhere in the global main stream media misrepresenting the events ?
Canute said:
Sorry, but nothing in this thread recently resembles any near truth. This thread should probably be closed down as it's getting hijacked somewhat with people who can't represent an actual, balanced account of what is happening here in Sverige.
Are you saying that none of these events are happening?If they are happening then they are worthy of discussion.
What "balanced account ' can there be for a murder?
Is the victim just a little bit dead?
His attitude could be because he's not far away from Gothenburg and in his life the local community is pretty much as it alwsys has been, and when he goes into the city visits certain areas and at times that doesn't see much evidence of the issues being discussed.
When I worked over there, after moving out of the interim town apartment it was to a house in an old fishing village, which had developed with summer houses, which had in turn become developed into permanent houses and was now a spot where fair few tourists came to visit and keep their boats. Still a fishing village and smokery though. Going into the nearest city it was mostly normal, yet that place had a suburb area where attempts were made to make it no go to police etc, and any effort to enforce measures against criminal behaviour were very strongly resisted, gang based. You just avoided it.
Just the same in UK, rural Worcestershire, the much reported gangland based stabbystabstab antics in London etc don't appear on our radar, just as rural tussles over flytipping with the All Ireland Caravan Club fraternity possibly don't get much of a look in down Brixton way.
When I worked over there, after moving out of the interim town apartment it was to a house in an old fishing village, which had developed with summer houses, which had in turn become developed into permanent houses and was now a spot where fair few tourists came to visit and keep their boats. Still a fishing village and smokery though. Going into the nearest city it was mostly normal, yet that place had a suburb area where attempts were made to make it no go to police etc, and any effort to enforce measures against criminal behaviour were very strongly resisted, gang based. You just avoided it.
Just the same in UK, rural Worcestershire, the much reported gangland based stabbystabstab antics in London etc don't appear on our radar, just as rural tussles over flytipping with the All Ireland Caravan Club fraternity possibly don't get much of a look in down Brixton way.
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