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AreOut said:
Eric Mc said:
You WANT to believe Trump.
You DON'T want to believe those who are making assertions against him.
It is YOU who are deciding what is the truth or not based on your preconceptions of who you WANT to believe.
nah I believe myself and my understanding what most possibly happenedYou DON'T want to believe those who are making assertions against him.
It is YOU who are deciding what is the truth or not based on your preconceptions of who you WANT to believe.
he's been famous for decades, if he really acted that way many women would come forward to sue him, instead we have only one with very moot background
rscott said:
Both are sex workers, but only one is a prostitute. Try reading this for the difference.. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ex...
"Porn stars are paid to act (really); prostitutes are paid for sex."why can't prostitutes "act" too, do they need an acting license?! Who decides what is acting and what is not? Every cell phone today has a camera, is it enough for a prostitute to set it to record part of the room so it stops being illegal prostitution and starts being legal acting?!
now you try to read this
http://www.covenanteyes.com/2015/03/20/is-porn-the...
The US Supreme Court confirmed the Californian Supreme Court ruling on what is & isn't acting/prostitution - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Freeman . Had you read the link I posted you'd already know that.
So you're suggesting we ignore what the US Supreme court and go with the words of someone who wrote "Delivered: True Stories of Men and Woman Who Turned from Porn to Purity." . Someone who's bio says he's "the executive director of The Porn Effect, a website dedicated to helping men and women break free from pornography. "
longblackcoat said:
scherzkeks said:
Actually, you will find that among critics of Woodward's work, the one consistency nearly all of them is that they agree that he is usually dead on point with the facts.
And in this case, we have many of the facts about the CF available, thanks to hackers and internal leaks.
We'lo just have to disagree then. Woodward (and I could cite many sources for this) is at best good at assembling facts to meet his worldview, and at worst just makes stuff up. In any case, I don't trust his assertions unless I can see the sources.And in this case, we have many of the facts about the CF available, thanks to hackers and internal leaks.
As for the latter: you could visit Wikileaks for info. pertaining to CF.
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
They believe that she will introduce single payer healthcare system
Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will “Never, Ever Come To Pass”http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-c...
You sure about that? Or has she flip-flopped yet again since that article was published?
I said "They believe" that's what she'll do. I didn't say that's what I think she'll do.
unrepentant said:
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
They believe that she will introduce single payer healthcare system
Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will “Never, Ever Come To Pass”http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-c...
You sure about that? Or has she flip-flopped yet again since that article was published?
I said "They believe" that's what she'll do. I didn't say that's what I think she'll do.
unrepentant said:
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
They believe that she will introduce single payer healthcare system
Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will “Never, Ever Come To Pass”You sure about that? Or has she flip-flopped yet again since that article was published?
I said "They believe" that's what she'll do. I didn't say that's what I think she'll do.
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
They believe that she will introduce single payer healthcare system
Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will “Never, Ever Come To Pass”You sure about that? Or has she flip-flopped yet again since that article was published?
I said "They believe" that's what she'll do. I didn't say that's what I think she'll do.
unrepentant said:
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
amusingduck said:
unrepentant said:
They believe that she will introduce single payer healthcare system
Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will “Never, Ever Come To Pass”You sure about that? Or has she flip-flopped yet again since that article was published?
I said "They believe" that's what she'll do. I didn't say that's what I think she'll do.
So, in response to "Hillary is going to be the least effective president", one of your points is that republicans believe that she'll introduce single payer (despite taking $$$ and stating otherwise), which she may or may not do, which you may or may not believe she'll do.
I think I'll just bow out of this discussion and concede that it was an excellent point.
anonymous said:
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This might be the funniest thing I have read on this thread. The Guardian is as left wing Sa its possible to get. Frankly left wing feminists are not as militant and blatantly leftist.Wherever possible I try not to read anything related to the guardian and it seems many others feel the same going by its financial and overall sales stats.
As has been said if Trump had done as claimed by these woman he would have been sued or had allegations made against him at the time as his wealth and fame puts him square in the firing line as it does to anyone rich and famous.
Look at the situation with Prince's estate. After dying when a rumour of no will came out over 700 people came out claiming to be related in some way.
frankenstein12 said:
As has been said if Trump had done as claimed by these woman he would have been sued or had allegations made against him at the time as his wealth and fame puts him square in the firing line as it does to anyone rich and famous.
Yeah because that's exactly what happened with Bill Cosby and Jimmy Savile. 
rscott said:
AreOut said:
Eric Mc said:
You WANT to believe Trump.
You DON'T want to believe those who are making assertions against him.
It is YOU who are deciding what is the truth or not based on your preconceptions of who you WANT to believe.
nah I believe myself and my understanding what most possibly happenedYou DON'T want to believe those who are making assertions against him.
It is YOU who are deciding what is the truth or not based on your preconceptions of who you WANT to believe.
he's been famous for decades, if he really acted that way many women would come forward to sue him, instead we have only one with very moot background
rscott said:
Both are sex workers, but only one is a prostitute. Try reading this for the difference.. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ex...
"Porn stars are paid to act (really); prostitutes are paid for sex."why can't prostitutes "act" too, do they need an acting license?! Who decides what is acting and what is not? Every cell phone today has a camera, is it enough for a prostitute to set it to record part of the room so it stops being illegal prostitution and starts being legal acting?!
now you try to read this
http://www.covenanteyes.com/2015/03/20/is-porn-the...
The US Supreme Court confirmed the Californian Supreme Court ruling on what is & isn't acting/prostitution - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Freeman . Had you read the link I posted you'd already know that.
So you're suggesting we ignore what the US Supreme court and go with the words of someone who wrote "Delivered: True Stories of Men and Woman Who Turned from Porn to Purity." . Someone who's bio says he's "the executive director of The Porn Effect, a website dedicated to helping men and women break free from pornography. "
There are those who do it through choice or simple need in other words for example they find they need money and they find the idea not entirely to their liking but decide to do it anyway as it pays what they need/want.
How do you define the difference between someone selling their body through choice person to person to someone selling their body on camera? Likewise how do you define the difference between someone selling their body through choice to someone doing so through force?
frankenstein12 said:
As in most things its subjective. Some woman like working as prostitutes some are forced into it either through need of money or through bad influence such as partners or slave traders etc.
There are those who do it through choice or simple need in other words for example they find they need money and they find the idea not entirely to their liking but decide to do it anyway as it pays what they need/want.
How do you define the difference between someone selling their body through choice person to person to someone selling their body on camera? Likewise how do you define the difference between someone selling their body through choice to someone doing so through force?
Not sure about the relevance of your first paragraph as we're not discussing a prostitute. As for the first question in the last paragraph - just read the links posted and that explains it.There are those who do it through choice or simple need in other words for example they find they need money and they find the idea not entirely to their liking but decide to do it anyway as it pays what they need/want.
How do you define the difference between someone selling their body through choice person to person to someone selling their body on camera? Likewise how do you define the difference between someone selling their body through choice to someone doing so through force?
amusingduck said:
Oh, OK then.
So, in response to "Hillary is going to be the least effective president", one of your points is that republicans believe that she'll introduce single payer (despite taking $$$ and stating otherwise), which she may or may not do, which you may or may not believe she'll do.
I think I'll just bow out of this discussion and concede that it was an excellent point.
Never forget: war is peace, and The Botoxed One is the doubleplusgood candidate.So, in response to "Hillary is going to be the least effective president", one of your points is that republicans believe that she'll introduce single payer (despite taking $$$ and stating otherwise), which she may or may not do, which you may or may not believe she'll do.
I think I'll just bow out of this discussion and concede that it was an excellent point.
AreOut said:
yeah it's always good comparing someone who gave drugs to young girls and child molester with flamboyant billionaire who occasionally made advances to women that he felt wouldn't mind
f
k me, you were there? Why didn't you say so sooner?Poor misunderstood flamboyant Trump.
AreOut said:
unrepentant said:
Yeah because that's exactly what happened with Bill Cosby and Jimmy Savile.
yeah it's always good comparing someone who gave drugs to young girls and child molester with flamboyant billionaire who occasionally made advances to women that he felt wouldn't mindAreOut said:
yeah it's always good comparing someone who gave drugs to young girls and child molester with flamboyant billionaire who occasionally made advances to women that he felt wouldn't mind
"Flamboyant billionaire" who wandered through changing rooms where underage girls were getting undressed?
unrepentant said:
AreOut said:
unrepentant said:
Yeah because that's exactly what happened with Bill Cosby and Jimmy Savile.
yeah it's always good comparing someone who gave drugs to young girls and child molester with flamboyant billionaire who occasionally made advances to women that he felt wouldn't mindShould we get on your case because you claim the highlight of the charity event the other day was a woman's breasts?
(Unrep mode on) It's clear you view women as objects. Disgusting pig. (Unrep mode off)
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