Thatcher - poor judgement
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The Don of Croy said:
crankedup said:
Odd! why would I want to do such a thing? For the most part I found the policies of her Government to be entirely disagreeable to my political philosophy at that time.
What about the abolition of exchange controls? Expelling the Argies from sovereign territory?crankedup said:
The Don of Croy said:
crankedup said:
Odd! why would I want to do such a thing? For the most part I found the policies of her Government to be entirely disagreeable to my political philosophy at that time.
What about the abolition of exchange controls? Expelling the Argies from sovereign territory?The Don of Croy said:
crankedup said:
The Don of Croy said:
crankedup said:
Odd! why would I want to do such a thing? For the most part I found the policies of her Government to be entirely disagreeable to my political philosophy at that time.
What about the abolition of exchange controls? Expelling the Argies from sovereign territory?Have I said enough to hang myself again I wonder!
don4l said:
crankedup said:
You will have to wait, in the meantime I suggest 'the balance of probability' would indicate a swing to my stance.
4 pages, not too bad an effort.
So, you are angry enough to denigrate the memory of one of Britain's greatest Prime Ministers purely because you think she might have known something?4 pages, not too bad an effort.
You must be absolutely apoplectic with rage about what that fat Liberal MP did to little boys.
I must have missed the thread you started to show us how disgusted his behaviour made you feel... or do LibDems think that this how everyone behaves?
Margaret Thatcher = Bad.
Cyril Smith = Good.
The double standards that lefties are willing to exhibit never ceases to amaze me!
crankedup said:
don4l said:
crankedup said:
You will have to wait, in the meantime I suggest 'the balance of probability' would indicate a swing to my stance.
4 pages, not too bad an effort.
So, you are angry enough to denigrate the memory of one of Britain's greatest Prime Ministers purely because you think she might have known something?4 pages, not too bad an effort.
You must be absolutely apoplectic with rage about what that fat Liberal MP did to little boys.
I must have missed the thread you started to show us how disgusted his behaviour made you feel... or do LibDems think that this how everyone behaves?
Margaret Thatcher = Bad.
Cyril Smith = Good.
The double standards that lefties are willing to exhibit never ceases to amaze me!
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
don4l said:
crankedup said:
You will have to wait, in the meantime I suggest 'the balance of probability' would indicate a swing to my stance.
4 pages, not too bad an effort.
So, you are angry enough to denigrate the memory of one of Britain's greatest Prime Ministers purely because you think she might have known something?4 pages, not too bad an effort.
You must be absolutely apoplectic with rage about what that fat Liberal MP did to little boys.
I must have missed the thread you started to show us how disgusted his behaviour made you feel... or do LibDems think that this how everyone behaves?
Margaret Thatcher = Bad.
Cyril Smith = Good.
The double standards that lefties are willing to exhibit never ceases to amaze me!
Sometimes it may be slightly difficult for you and others to accept the truth, but in this case after a year of hard work by two respected journo's we have the truth. It is an insight into the murky side of Government at that time.
If you want to discuss the revelations regarding the 'blind eyes' within the hierarchy, be my guest and start a thread. Senior Police Officers advised the P.M that Smith was a kiddy fiddler, she ignored advise from them and her own advisor's. We will within fullness of time learn why Smith and others were not brought to justice, (powerful people in high places) the term 'paedophile ring' is being used more and more by journ's who have the scent of a truly scandalous story emerging.
Having read the article concerned, but not the full text in the documents, it appears slightly disengenuos to lay the blame at her feet in its entirety.
The article stated that it was suggested to her that the knighthood could put the honours system at risk. The same committee then looked in more depth and recommended that he should still be presented with the knighthood. The blame here surely lies with that committee more than Lady T?
I would, however, suggest that the real issue lies with the cabinet secretary and his covering up of the issues, up and to current date, that is frankly inexcusable.
The article stated that it was suggested to her that the knighthood could put the honours system at risk. The same committee then looked in more depth and recommended that he should still be presented with the knighthood. The blame here surely lies with that committee more than Lady T?
I would, however, suggest that the real issue lies with the cabinet secretary and his covering up of the issues, up and to current date, that is frankly inexcusable.
On that basis we come down to accountability, if I were in the situation of being advised I would err onto 'if in doubt, don't' mode. After all Honours are a annual event. It is well documented that Thatcher would override her cabinet going against the judgements of her Cabinet, strength or arrogance? Either way it eventually led to her downfall.
In fairness being in Office for an extended period as she was, not a human being on earth would serve without the odd lapse.
In fairness being in Office for an extended period as she was, not a human being on earth would serve without the odd lapse.
Help me here...you've found prima facie evidence that sainted Madge did a bad thing in putting forward Savile and Smith for honours. Well done. Case proven.
Savile - a man lauded by his employer (BBC) and who remained in a position of power and influence long after Maggie left No 10, right up to six months after his death just a few years ago...a man who was also 'honoured' by the Catholic church (both by the head honcho in the UK as well as Pope thingy in Rome) at a time when that institution was also enjoying a better reputation.
Smith - a former Labour councillor, later Liberal Party stalwart and long time kiddy-fiddler (facts that would be well known to both those Party's who could/should have ensured he was not put forward)...
Neither case shines much of a good light on Thatcher. But neither is solely down to her, either, and arguably the BBC and Labour/Liberals could have done far, far more to prevent further suffering.
Your ire would be better directed at those directly involved or facilitating these monsters.
Savile - a man lauded by his employer (BBC) and who remained in a position of power and influence long after Maggie left No 10, right up to six months after his death just a few years ago...a man who was also 'honoured' by the Catholic church (both by the head honcho in the UK as well as Pope thingy in Rome) at a time when that institution was also enjoying a better reputation.
Smith - a former Labour councillor, later Liberal Party stalwart and long time kiddy-fiddler (facts that would be well known to both those Party's who could/should have ensured he was not put forward)...
Neither case shines much of a good light on Thatcher. But neither is solely down to her, either, and arguably the BBC and Labour/Liberals could have done far, far more to prevent further suffering.
Your ire would be better directed at those directly involved or facilitating these monsters.
The Don of Croy said:
Help me here...you've found prima facie evidence that sainted Madge did a bad thing in putting forward Savile and Smith for honours. Well done. Case proven.
Savile - a man lauded by his employer (BBC) and who remained in a position of power and influence long after Maggie left No 10, right up to six months after his death just a few years ago...a man who was also 'honoured' by the Catholic church (both by the head honcho in the UK as well as Pope thingy in Rome) at a time when that institution was also enjoying a better reputation.
Smith - a former Labour councillor, later Liberal Party stalwart and long time kiddy-fiddler (facts that would be well known to both those Party's who could/should have ensured he was not put forward)...
Neither case shines much of a good light on Thatcher. But neither is solely down to her, either, and arguably the BBC and Labour/Liberals could have done far, far more to prevent further suffering.
Your ire would be better directed at those directly involved or facilitating these monsters.
The way I see it is simple, our P.M. has the ultimate decision when it comes down to bestowing, or rather recommending, Honours to the great and good. If a P.M. cannot make a stance against the 'establishment' but rather encourages the 'establishment' and rewards those less than savoury individuals in the knowledge that these people are 'un-convicted' criminals then the P.M. becomes implicit in those wrong doers actions (not literally) but supports those wrong doers. As for the Catholic Church, so much we have learned in recent times of Priests and their idea of the 'laying of hands'.Savile - a man lauded by his employer (BBC) and who remained in a position of power and influence long after Maggie left No 10, right up to six months after his death just a few years ago...a man who was also 'honoured' by the Catholic church (both by the head honcho in the UK as well as Pope thingy in Rome) at a time when that institution was also enjoying a better reputation.
Smith - a former Labour councillor, later Liberal Party stalwart and long time kiddy-fiddler (facts that would be well known to both those Party's who could/should have ensured he was not put forward)...
Neither case shines much of a good light on Thatcher. But neither is solely down to her, either, and arguably the BBC and Labour/Liberals could have done far, far more to prevent further suffering.
Your ire would be better directed at those directly involved or facilitating these monsters.
Yes completely agree that the employers of these individuals should have / could have done so much more in curtailing the disgusting actions of these men. Let us hope that some justice and good comes out of all this.
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