CAGE Jihadi Supporters
Discussion
Zod said:
I'm missing a bit of context here, but I'm confused, as I cannot believe from my observation of each of you that either of you would believe that a woman caught on adultery should be punished (assuming this is a religious concept, as opposed to some social disapproval).
Don't those things go hand in hand in some countries?Zod said:
I'm missing a bit of context here, but I'm confused, as I cannot believe from my observation of each of you that either of you would believe that a woman caught on adultery should be punished (assuming this is a religious concept, as opposed to some social disapproval).
I believe that lbc had no choice but to answer in the way that he did.I think that Islam mandates that any woman who commits adultery should be stoned to death. I suspect that no Muslim could say anything that contradicts this. I think that the punishment for homosexuality is the same. I also suspect that no Muslim may speak out about this either.
Islam doesn't have leaders. So, it cannot evolve. The Roman Catholic church often conducts major reviews of what constitutes a "sin". Various Protestant sects have their governing bodies.
When the Crusades took place, The Fifth Commandment must have been worded differently. I learned it as "Thou shalt not kill". This is unambiguous and very simple. The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition could not have happened if the Fifth Commandment was interpreted the way that I see it. So, I suspect that it has evolved over time.
The first version that I found for the Islamic version says "Kill not anyone whom God has forbidden" http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/5114/viewall.... This is quite different, but I suspect it is close to what Christians had in the past.
Hopefully, some Muslims will come along and correct me.
nyxster said:
I thought they had the grand mufti.
Or was that a McDonalds promotional burger? With wahabi sauce.
Grand muftis appear to only have influence in the country where they hold their office.Or was that a McDonalds promotional burger? With wahabi sauce.
A grand council of grand muftis might have the authority that would be required to integrate Islam with Western society.
anonymous said:
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My post at 19:47 should make that abundantly clear.What do you think?
Should women who commit adultery be punished?
Please note that I have not asked about what form such punishment should take. Let's assume that the punishment would be a good old fashioned 100 lines of "I must not commit adultery."
So, can you answer my simple question, or will you resort to abuse?
I have no issue with any ethnic group living in the UK provided that they are prepared to accept the basic rules of British society and preferably integrate. What really pisses me off are Muslims who 'sympathise' with crimes such as Charlie Hebdo, who moan that they are being demonised because the criminals happen to be Muslim, or who feel they are expected to try too hard to prove they are British.
Frankly, there are loads of perfectly decent Muslims living in Britain, working hard and trying to make a living like the rest of us. I can respect that. But they need to recognise now that we have got a Muslim extremist problem here. The clearly mentally subnormal scum who murdered Lee Rigby were Muslims motivated by extreme religious beliefs. ISIS are Muslim, and more about them shortly. Muslims carried out 911, bombed London, and tried to bomb Glasgow Airport. They did it because they are Muslims, driven by Muslim beliefs, misguided or otherwise. Young Muslims from all over the UK have gone out to join ISIS. They have a problem in their religion, and it is up to them to sort it. Adolescents of all ethnic types have all sorts of problems, usually caused by their own uncertainties and inability to integrate socially. That is not an acceptable excuse for committing a crime, and for a UK citizen to join ISIS is treason, for which the penalty remains death. We happen to be too civilised to enforce that. A crime nevertheless.
There are a few basic principles about the UK, and I do not think that any compromise is acceptable. EVERYONE is entitled to practice their religion freely to the extent that it does not impinge on others doing the same. We can express any views we wish within the law, and there is no law saying that you cannot cause offence. Political satire is a long tradition, has often been extremely savage, and is acceptable. Islam can be criticised, as can any other religion. Cartoons of 'The Prophet' are acceptable in this country. If you cannot deal with that you have no business living in the UK. Go and live in a country where the laws are in line with the lifestyle you wish to adopt.
ISIS are committed to the capture of Damascus, the destruction of Israel, and the global rule of Islam, accompanied by the murder of anyone who will not go along with that. If you support that, you are a danger to society and have no place in the UK.
Frankly, there are loads of perfectly decent Muslims living in Britain, working hard and trying to make a living like the rest of us. I can respect that. But they need to recognise now that we have got a Muslim extremist problem here. The clearly mentally subnormal scum who murdered Lee Rigby were Muslims motivated by extreme religious beliefs. ISIS are Muslim, and more about them shortly. Muslims carried out 911, bombed London, and tried to bomb Glasgow Airport. They did it because they are Muslims, driven by Muslim beliefs, misguided or otherwise. Young Muslims from all over the UK have gone out to join ISIS. They have a problem in their religion, and it is up to them to sort it. Adolescents of all ethnic types have all sorts of problems, usually caused by their own uncertainties and inability to integrate socially. That is not an acceptable excuse for committing a crime, and for a UK citizen to join ISIS is treason, for which the penalty remains death. We happen to be too civilised to enforce that. A crime nevertheless.
There are a few basic principles about the UK, and I do not think that any compromise is acceptable. EVERYONE is entitled to practice their religion freely to the extent that it does not impinge on others doing the same. We can express any views we wish within the law, and there is no law saying that you cannot cause offence. Political satire is a long tradition, has often been extremely savage, and is acceptable. Islam can be criticised, as can any other religion. Cartoons of 'The Prophet' are acceptable in this country. If you cannot deal with that you have no business living in the UK. Go and live in a country where the laws are in line with the lifestyle you wish to adopt.
ISIS are committed to the capture of Damascus, the destruction of Israel, and the global rule of Islam, accompanied by the murder of anyone who will not go along with that. If you support that, you are a danger to society and have no place in the UK.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th February 22:55
don4l said:
What do you think?
Should women who commit adultery be punished?
That is a matter of personal morality, not a criminal offence in the UK. It is a matter between the parties involved, and may involve civil legal action. In a mature, intelligent, advanced society, and one which is not riddled with insecurity, there is not nor should be any criminal implication. Disagree?Should women who commit adultery be punished?
cardigankid said:
I have no issue with any ethnic group living in the UK provided that they are prepared to accept the basic rules of British society and preferably integrate. What really pisses me off are Muslims who 'sympathise' with crimes such as Charlie Hebdo, who moan that they are being demonised because the criminals happen to be Muslim, or who feel they are expected to try too hard to prove they are British.
Frankly, there are loads of perfectly decent Muslims living in Britain, working hard and trying to make a living like the rest of us. I can respect that. But they need to recognise now that we have got a Muslim extremist problem here. The clearly mentally subnormal scum who murdered Lee Rigby were Muslims motivated by extreme religious beliefs. ISIS are Muslim, and more about them shortly. Muslims carried out 911, bombed London, and tried to bomb Glasgow Airport. They did it because they are Muslims, driven by Muslim beliefs, misguided or otherwise. Young Muslims from all over the UK have gone out to join ISIS. They have a problem in their religion, and it is up to them to sort it. Adolescents of all ethnic types have all sorts of problems, usually caused by their own uncertainties and inability to integrate socially. That is not an acceptable excuse for committing a crime, and for a UK citizen to join ISIS is treason, for which the penalty remains death. We happen to be too civilised to enforce that. A crime nevertheless.
There are a few basic principles about the UK, and I do not think that any compromise is acceptable. EVERYONE is entitled to practice their religion freely to the extent that it does not impinge on others doing the same. We can express any views we wish within the law, and there is no law saying that you cannot cause offence. Political satire is a long tradition, has often been extremely savage, and is acceptable. Islam can be criticised, as can any other religion. Cartoons of 'The Prophet' are acceptable in this country. If you cannot deal with that you have no business living in the UK. Go and live in a country where the laws are in line with the lifestyle you wish to adopt.
ISIS are committed to the capture of Damascus, the destruction of Israel, and the global rule of Islam, accompanied by the murder of anyone who will not go along with that. If you support that, you are a danger to society and have no place in the UK.
Frankly, there are loads of perfectly decent Muslims living in Britain, working hard and trying to make a living like the rest of us. I can respect that. But they need to recognise now that we have got a Muslim extremist problem here. The clearly mentally subnormal scum who murdered Lee Rigby were Muslims motivated by extreme religious beliefs. ISIS are Muslim, and more about them shortly. Muslims carried out 911, bombed London, and tried to bomb Glasgow Airport. They did it because they are Muslims, driven by Muslim beliefs, misguided or otherwise. Young Muslims from all over the UK have gone out to join ISIS. They have a problem in their religion, and it is up to them to sort it. Adolescents of all ethnic types have all sorts of problems, usually caused by their own uncertainties and inability to integrate socially. That is not an acceptable excuse for committing a crime, and for a UK citizen to join ISIS is treason, for which the penalty remains death. We happen to be too civilised to enforce that. A crime nevertheless.
There are a few basic principles about the UK, and I do not think that any compromise is acceptable. EVERYONE is entitled to practice their religion freely to the extent that it does not impinge on others doing the same. We can express any views we wish within the law, and there is no law saying that you cannot cause offence. Political satire is a long tradition, has often been extremely savage, and is acceptable. Islam can be criticised, as can any other religion. Cartoons of 'The Prophet' are acceptable in this country. If you cannot deal with that you have no business living in the UK. Go and live in a country where the laws are in line with the lifestyle you wish to adopt.
ISIS are committed to the capture of Damascus, the destruction of Israel, and the global rule of Islam, accompanied by the murder of anyone who will not go along with that. If you support that, you are a danger to society and have no place in the UK.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th February 22:55
Absolutely, maybe a little later VK and LBC will come back with another patronising non-answer to the last few posts!
Or maybe there is something to this:
http://news.sky.com/story/1436258/mi5-made-emwazi-...
[quote]
The Londoner identified as "Jihadi John" told a journalist in 2010 that harassment by British security services had made him fear he was a "dead man walking", it has been revealed.
Years before his reign of terror in Islamic State videos began, Mohammed Emwazi emailed a reporter to claim that several run-ins with intelligence officials had left him contemplating suicide.
The 26-year-old described coming face-to-face with someone who he suspected was a British spy - months after he graduated from the University of Westminster.
Emwazi was attempting to sell a laptop when he became suspicious of the mystery buyer, according to messages he sent to a Mail on Sunday reporter.
He wrote: "Sometimes I feel like a dead man walking, not fearing they (MI5) may kill me.
"Rather, fearing that one day, I'll take as many pills as I can so that I will sleep for ever! I just want to get away from these people!"
The correspondence was released on Sunday night - hours after a tranche of messages between Emwazi and a campaign group emerged.
He began emailing the CAGE organisation after he was questioned by counter-terrorism officers while attempting to fly from Heathrow to his native Kuwait in 2010 - and claimed the security services were "stopping him from living his new life" abroad, where he had secured a job and was getting married.
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
http://news.sky.com/story/1436258/mi5-made-emwazi-...
[quote]
The Londoner identified as "Jihadi John" told a journalist in 2010 that harassment by British security services had made him fear he was a "dead man walking", it has been revealed.
Years before his reign of terror in Islamic State videos began, Mohammed Emwazi emailed a reporter to claim that several run-ins with intelligence officials had left him contemplating suicide.
The 26-year-old described coming face-to-face with someone who he suspected was a British spy - months after he graduated from the University of Westminster.
Emwazi was attempting to sell a laptop when he became suspicious of the mystery buyer, according to messages he sent to a Mail on Sunday reporter.
He wrote: "Sometimes I feel like a dead man walking, not fearing they (MI5) may kill me.
"Rather, fearing that one day, I'll take as many pills as I can so that I will sleep for ever! I just want to get away from these people!"
The correspondence was released on Sunday night - hours after a tranche of messages between Emwazi and a campaign group emerged.
He began emailing the CAGE organisation after he was questioned by counter-terrorism officers while attempting to fly from Heathrow to his native Kuwait in 2010 - and claimed the security services were "stopping him from living his new life" abroad, where he had secured a job and was getting married.
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
Dr Solomon said:
there is something to this:
http://news.sky.com/story/1436258/mi5-made-emwazi-...
[quote]
The Londoner identified as "Jihadi John" told a journalist in 2010 that harassment by British security services had made him fear he was a "dead man walking", it has been revealed.
Years before his reign of terror in Islamic State videos began, Mohammed Emwazi emailed a reporter to claim that several run-ins with intelligence officials had left him contemplating suicide.
The 26-year-old described coming face-to-face with someone who he suspected was a British spy - months after he graduated from the University of Westminster.
Emwazi was attempting to sell a laptop when he became suspicious of the mystery buyer, according to messages he sent to a Mail on Sunday reporter.
He wrote: "Sometimes I feel like a dead man walking, not fearing they (MI5) may kill me.
"Rather, fearing that one day, I'll take as many pills as I can so that I will sleep for ever! I just want to get away from these people!"
The correspondence was released on Sunday night - hours after a tranche of messages between Emwazi and a campaign group emerged.
He began emailing the CAGE organisation after he was questioned by counter-terrorism officers while attempting to fly from Heathrow to his native Kuwait in 2010 - and claimed the security services were "stopping him from living his new life" abroad, where he had secured a job and was getting married.
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
Only a moron with a shared victim complex would think that explained the utter http://news.sky.com/story/1436258/mi5-made-emwazi-...
[quote]
The Londoner identified as "Jihadi John" told a journalist in 2010 that harassment by British security services had made him fear he was a "dead man walking", it has been revealed.
Years before his reign of terror in Islamic State videos began, Mohammed Emwazi emailed a reporter to claim that several run-ins with intelligence officials had left him contemplating suicide.
The 26-year-old described coming face-to-face with someone who he suspected was a British spy - months after he graduated from the University of Westminster.
Emwazi was attempting to sell a laptop when he became suspicious of the mystery buyer, according to messages he sent to a Mail on Sunday reporter.
He wrote: "Sometimes I feel like a dead man walking, not fearing they (MI5) may kill me.
"Rather, fearing that one day, I'll take as many pills as I can so that I will sleep for ever! I just want to get away from these people!"
The correspondence was released on Sunday night - hours after a tranche of messages between Emwazi and a campaign group emerged.
He began emailing the CAGE organisation after he was questioned by counter-terrorism officers while attempting to fly from Heathrow to his native Kuwait in 2010 - and claimed the security services were "stopping him from living his new life" abroad, where he had secured a job and was getting married.
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
In one message, the graduate wrote: "I feel like a prisoner, only not in a cage, (but) in London. A person imprisoned and controlled by security service men."
Emwazi appears vulnerable in several of his emails, and asks for advice in complaining to his MP and the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the treatment he had received.
After being told by British officials that he would not be allowed to move to Kuwait, he told CAGE: "I'm not going to give up!! I'm going to wait for my Dad to come back so that we can visit the Kuwaiti embassy in London… going to the embassy myself won't be successful."
murdering innocents.I have no idea how the excuses for this worthless fker are making a news story on the BBC site. I don't recall any hand wringing or examination of the awful victimisation that lead to Ian Huntley or Dennis Nilson carrying out their vile crimes.
This has carried out the pre-meditated beheading of 7 innocent people in fully rehearsed and recorded procedures and now we have to fret over his personal problems?
You won't find me banging a drum for the death penalty in NP&E, braying for a UKIP election victory or advocating concentration camps for immigrants but where this piece of filth is concerned I have no desire to "understand" him.
Kill him, simple as that.
A nice 500 pound bomb covered in razor blades and coated with ebola dropped right on his fking head would be nice.
Ideally I'd like to see a group of powerfully built squaddies punch him to death whilst throwing him down some flights of stairs and taking a few breaks for a beer, but in the end it really doesn't matter how its done. Just get this dead and I will celebrate the event, I mean I will literally cheer his fking demise and laugh in the face of these wkers at cage who are excusing him.
Sometimes things just don't need debating, exterminate him, like you would a fking cockroach.
ker are making a news story on the BBC site. I don't recall any hand wringing or examination of the awful victimisation that lead to Ian Huntley or Dennis Nilson carrying out their vile crimes.This
has carried out the pre-meditated beheading of 7 innocent people in fully rehearsed and recorded procedures and now we have to fret over his personal problems?You won't find me banging a drum for the death penalty in NP&E, braying for a UKIP election victory or advocating concentration camps for immigrants but where this piece of filth is concerned I have no desire to "understand" him.
Kill him, simple as that.
A nice 500 pound bomb covered in razor blades and coated with ebola dropped right on his f
king head would be nice. Ideally I'd like to see a group of powerfully built squaddies punch him to death whilst throwing him down some flights of stairs and taking a few breaks for a beer, but in the end it really doesn't matter how its done. Just get this
dead and I will celebrate the event, I mean I will literally cheer his fking demise and laugh in the face of these wkers at cage who are excusing him.Sometimes things just don't need debating, exterminate him, like you would a f
king cockroach. br d said:
I have no idea how the excuses for this worthless fker are making a news story on the BBC site. I don't recall any hand wringing or examination of the awful victimisation that lead to Ian Huntley or Dennis Nilson carrying out their vile crimes.
This has carried out the pre-meditated beheading of 7 innocent people in fully rehearsed and recorded procedures and now we have to fret over his personal problems?
You won't find me banging a drum for the death penalty in NP&E, braying for a UKIP election victory or advocating concentration camps for immigrants but where this piece of filth is concerned I have no desire to "understand" him.
Kill him, simple as that.
A nice 500 pound bomb covered in razor blades and coated with ebola dropped right on his fking head would be nice.
Ideally I'd like to see a group of powerfully built squaddies punch him to death whilst throwing him down some flights of stairs and taking a few breaks for a beer, but in the end it really doesn't matter how its done. Just get this dead and I will celebrate the event, I mean I will literally cheer his fking demise and laugh in the face of these wkers at cage who are excusing him.
Sometimes things just don't need debating, exterminate him, like you would a fking cockroach.
I am not absolutely clear as to your position. Can you put it more plainly? ker are making a news story on the BBC site. I don't recall any hand wringing or examination of the awful victimisation that lead to Ian Huntley or Dennis Nilson carrying out their vile crimes.This
has carried out the pre-meditated beheading of 7 innocent people in fully rehearsed and recorded procedures and now we have to fret over his personal problems?You won't find me banging a drum for the death penalty in NP&E, braying for a UKIP election victory or advocating concentration camps for immigrants but where this piece of filth is concerned I have no desire to "understand" him.
Kill him, simple as that.
A nice 500 pound bomb covered in razor blades and coated with ebola dropped right on his f
king head would be nice. Ideally I'd like to see a group of powerfully built squaddies punch him to death whilst throwing him down some flights of stairs and taking a few breaks for a beer, but in the end it really doesn't matter how its done. Just get this
dead and I will celebrate the event, I mean I will literally cheer his fking demise and laugh in the face of these wkers at cage who are excusing him.Sometimes things just don't need debating, exterminate him, like you would a f
king cockroach. There is no excuse for killing innocent people, however, let's not ignore the fact that this chap (as is coming to light) was no doubt being harassed by the security services. Are we that stupid to think they just said "hi, how you you doing pal?". If he had no criminal record, no record of any extremist activity and there is evidence that he was 'approached' by security services after which his life/plans went pear shaped - I guess then it must all be coincidental that he suddenly turned into a wrong'un after?
Dr Solomon said:
There is no excuse for killing innocent people, however, let's not ignore the fact that this chap (as is coming to light) was no doubt being harassed by the security services. Are we that stupid to think they just said "hi, how you you doing pal?". If he had no criminal record, no record of any extremist activity and there is evidence that he was 'approached' by security services after which his life/plans went pear shaped - I guess then it must all be coincidental that he suddenly turned into a wrong'un after?
Wow. Just wow.So, because this fellow was approached by the security services it somehow explains his subsequent actions? Have you considered for one moment that perhaps the security services might have had valid reasons to have this person under surveillance? In fact, as it turns out the security services were on the money in their suspicions.
Your post contains the language of the apologists. " Harrassed by the security services" is odious double speak which goes on to form your half arsed justification for his having cut the heads off people. "His life went pear shaped" .. Really? That's any kind of reason? Yes, yes, I know the opening line of your post says there is no excuse...but then everything you write after that is one long excuse. Disgraceful. Shameful. Mealy mouthed apologist clap trap.
Edited for crappy speelering
Edited by andymadmak on Sunday 1st March 16:52
Dunc B said:
cardigankid said:
I have no issue with any ethnic group living in the UK provided that they are prepared to accept the basic rules of British society and preferably integrate. What really pisses me off are Muslims who 'sympathise' with crimes such as Charlie Hebdo, who moan that they are being demonised because the criminals happen to be Muslim, or who feel they are expected to try too hard to prove they are British.
Frankly, there are loads of perfectly decent Muslims living in Britain, working hard and trying to make a living like the rest of us. I can respect that. But they need to recognise now that we have got a Muslim extremist problem here. The clearly mentally subnormal scum who murdered Lee Rigby were Muslims motivated by extreme religious beliefs. ISIS are Muslim, and more about them shortly. Muslims carried out 911, bombed London, and tried to bomb Glasgow Airport. They did it because they are Muslims, driven by Muslim beliefs, misguided or otherwise. Young Muslims from all over the UK have gone out to join ISIS. They have a problem in their religion, and it is up to them to sort it. Adolescents of all ethnic types have all sorts of problems, usually caused by their own uncertainties and inability to integrate socially. That is not an acceptable excuse for committing a crime, and for a UK citizen to join ISIS is treason, for which the penalty remains death. We happen to be too civilised to enforce that. A crime nevertheless.
There are a few basic principles about the UK, and I do not think that any compromise is acceptable. EVERYONE is entitled to practice their religion freely to the extent that it does not impinge on others doing the same. We can express any views we wish within the law, and there is no law saying that you cannot cause offence. Political satire is a long tradition, has often been extremely savage, and is acceptable. Islam can be criticised, as can any other religion. Cartoons of 'The Prophet' are acceptable in this country. If you cannot deal with that you have no business living in the UK. Go and live in a country where the laws are in line with the lifestyle you wish to adopt.
ISIS are committed to the capture of Damascus, the destruction of Israel, and the global rule of Islam, accompanied by the murder of anyone who will not go along with that. If you support that, you are a danger to society and have no place in the UK.
Frankly, there are loads of perfectly decent Muslims living in Britain, working hard and trying to make a living like the rest of us. I can respect that. But they need to recognise now that we have got a Muslim extremist problem here. The clearly mentally subnormal scum who murdered Lee Rigby were Muslims motivated by extreme religious beliefs. ISIS are Muslim, and more about them shortly. Muslims carried out 911, bombed London, and tried to bomb Glasgow Airport. They did it because they are Muslims, driven by Muslim beliefs, misguided or otherwise. Young Muslims from all over the UK have gone out to join ISIS. They have a problem in their religion, and it is up to them to sort it. Adolescents of all ethnic types have all sorts of problems, usually caused by their own uncertainties and inability to integrate socially. That is not an acceptable excuse for committing a crime, and for a UK citizen to join ISIS is treason, for which the penalty remains death. We happen to be too civilised to enforce that. A crime nevertheless.
There are a few basic principles about the UK, and I do not think that any compromise is acceptable. EVERYONE is entitled to practice their religion freely to the extent that it does not impinge on others doing the same. We can express any views we wish within the law, and there is no law saying that you cannot cause offence. Political satire is a long tradition, has often been extremely savage, and is acceptable. Islam can be criticised, as can any other religion. Cartoons of 'The Prophet' are acceptable in this country. If you cannot deal with that you have no business living in the UK. Go and live in a country where the laws are in line with the lifestyle you wish to adopt.
ISIS are committed to the capture of Damascus, the destruction of Israel, and the global rule of Islam, accompanied by the murder of anyone who will not go along with that. If you support that, you are a danger to society and have no place in the UK.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th February 22:55
Absolutely, maybe a little later VK and LBC will come back with another patronising non-answer to the last few posts!
andymadmak said:
I am not absolutely clear as to your position. Can you put it more plainly?
My apologies for the ambiguity of my previous missive andy, let me firm up my opinion.I have a mild dislike for this person and the mores he espouses.
While I would clearly be horrified if anybody inadvertently interpreted my post as a negative commentary on his actions, or possibly even some minor slight on his
ABSOLUTELY ACCEPTABLE AND ENTIRELY UNDERSTANDABLE SYSTEM OF BELIEF
I simply must register my tiny miffedness at his methods of conveying his disgruntledness.
Of course, I adhere firmly to his right to hack off the heads of aid workers in order for him to display his displeasure at the rest of the worlds gall to allow all of humanity some self determination and I am extremely concious of my unnecessary and ignorant "21st Century attitudes" to his concerns.
Your questioning of my motives has naturally forced me to re-examine my fascist and appallingly self-centered Western idealism.
This has lead me to a new perspective on such vital practises as slashing the important bits off little girls vaginas, murdering people who draw funny pictures and blowing up trains full of people who dare to go to work in order to feed their kids.
I now regret my previous post and beg the forgiveness of PH.
Oh, and I realise this may not be particularly popular but I'd still like to volunteer to bash this idiots tiny brain into flatline with an ornate coffee table leg.
Yours with love.
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