Russian opposition politician killed.

[raftom]

vonuber said:

From reading some comments on the granuiad it's a false flag operation by the CIA and the ukrainian fascists.

The commentator bots are going to get a bonus today, an extra bottle of vodka.

[ukwill]

raftom said:

vonuber said:

From reading some comments on the granuiad it's a false flag operation by the CIA and the ukrainian fascists.

The commentator bots are going to get a bonus today, an extra bottle of vodka.

The sheer amount of Putin bots on the Graun never ceases to amaze me - some cracking pseudonyms as well!

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

I'm sure you know he just gets his thugs to do his dirty work.

There was about to be a rally!

Good time to get rid of any opposition in it's tracks.

Phil

but Nemtsov wasn't threat to anyone...he could collect maybe couple of percent on elections, why would Putin kill a totally unimportant figure? To show his power? Well I guess everyone knows about his power without that. This assassination could only(potentially) make problems for him, he doesn't have anything positive to get from this.

[Chim]

AreOut said:

but Nemtsov wasn't threat to anyone...he could collect maybe couple of percent on elections, why would Putin kill a totally unimportant figure? To show his power? Well I guess everyone knows about his power without that. This assassination could only(potentially) make problems for him, he doesn't have anything positive to get from this.

Yes he does, he can blame it on the Ukrain, whip up more nationalistic fervour, distract from economic problems and as a brucey bonus he gets rid of another pain in his ass.

Its all win win for him

[Eclassy]

^^^^^

But Faux News and posters on this thread said it was ordered by Putin so it must be Putin.

[Chim]

Eclassy said:

^^^^^

But Faux News and posters on this thread said it was ordered by Putin so it must be Putin.

No matter who killed him, all sides will look to make political capital out of this, we will never know who actually contracted the killing, of that one fact you can be assured

[jmorgan]

Putin run out of polonium?

[Cobnapint]

Chim said:

Yes he does, he can blame it on the Ukraine, whip up more nationalistic fervour, distract from economic problems and as a brucey bonus he gets rid of another pain in his ass.

Its all win win for him

Why would the Ukraine top somebody who's an open critic of the man that's in the process of stealing half of their country?

[Chim]

Cobnapint said:

Chim said:

Yes he does, he can blame it on the Ukraine, whip up more nationalistic fervour, distract from economic problems and as a brucey bonus he gets rid of another pain in his ass.

Its all win win for him

Why would the Ukraine top somebody who's an open critic of the man that's in the process of stealing half of their country?

In order to create division in Russia, at least that is how the Russian media are currently spinning it. Look at the news reports on the BBC right now, the opposition are being reported as out in force, there is outrage on the streets, the flames of internal division have been fanned. If it was the Ukranians or the west they are getting at least a measure of the result they wanted.

Not saying any of the above is the case of course, you can be sure though that this is how Putin will continue to spin it out fully backed by the russian media, if he did order the hit though he is taking a big gamble and it could backfire on him badly

[AreOut]

Chim said:

Yes he does, he can blame it on the Ukrain, whip up more nationalistic fervour, distract from economic problems and as a brucey bonus he gets rid of another pain in his ass.

Its all win win for him

maybe only the first one, the nationalistic fervour is already high in Russia and there are no major economic problems at least for ordinary people, yes they have less money when converted to foreign currency but nothing apocalyptic, I'm in contact with several of them and they manage to do just fine(btw they are mainly not Putin supporters but for other reasons, mainly corruption)

and Nemtsov was everything but PITA for Putin, there is actually high chance a much bigger PITA will take his place...

[Chim]

AreOut said:

Chim said:

Yes he does, he can blame it on the Ukrain, whip up more nationalistic fervour, distract from economic problems and as a brucey bonus he gets rid of another pain in his ass.

Its all win win for him

maybe only the first one, the nationalistic fervour is already high in Russia and there are no major economic problems at least for ordinary people, yes they have less money when converted to foreign currency but nothing apocalyptic, I'm in contact with several of them and they manage to do just fine(btw they are mainly not Putin supporters but for other reasons, mainly corruption)

and Nemtsov was everything but PITA for Putin, there is actually high chance a much bigger PITA will take his place...

The spin will be out, in fact its already in overdrive with each side trying to out blame the other. As I said earlier, we will never know who actually contracted the hit, chances are the Russians will role out a a couple of patsies from either Ukraine or some ethnic muslims and blame them. May very well be though that Putin had nothing to do with it, the nationalistic fervour though has thrown up lots of extreme right wing Putin worshippers, any of these groups could have carried out the shooting.

One thing is for sure, it will not help the current situation between the east and the west.

[Transmitter Man]

AreOut said:

but Nemtsov wasn't threat to anyone...he could collect maybe couple of percent on elections, why would Putin kill a totally unimportant figure? To show his power? Well I guess everyone knows about his power without that. This assassination could only(potentially) make problems for him, he doesn't have anything positive to get from this.

There was a planned march in or near red square planned and this killing was quite simply indirectly ordered by the Kremlin.

If you have been to Russia, and spoken to Russians in private you know exactly how the state works.



Phil

[TKF]

Cheese Mechanic said:

As a *former* admirer of Putin, I have perhaps kept track of stories concerning him a little more than others.

Phew! Lucky you're here then!!

[Countdown]

Cheese Mechanic said:

As a *former* admirer of Putin, I have perhaps kept track of stories concerning him a little more than others.

This book is astounding stuff. Well worth reading if time and effort concern one enough.

http://books.simonandschuster.com/Putins-Kleptocra...

Nobody would publish it in the UK, and I've read numerous reasons as to why, none of them pleasant . The authors sources are impeccable.The work shows what a murdering criminal thug Putin is.

A frightening tale.

Holy Crap!!! That's come as a complete shock that has!!

can I just ask - at what point were you an "admirer" of Putin? Which of his many qualities attarcted you to him?

[Cheese Mechanic]

Countdown said:

can I just ask - at what point were you an "admirer" of Putin? Which of his many qualities attarcted you to him?

I admired his strong leadership' although with reservations . I was particularly chuffed when he scuppered the Greenpeace idiots as example.

The more you look at things though, the more you find. So opinions can and do change. Not a good man. The wholesale violence he has perpetrated in the Ukraine, an independent country , is no better than the likes of Milosivitch in the former Yugoslavia.

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

There was a planned march in or near red square planned and this killing was quite simply indirectly ordered by the Kremlin.

If you have been to Russia, and spoken to Russians in private you know exactly how the state works.



Phil

there were hundreds of marches and not a single one would pose a problem to Putin, so why would this one by any different? I do know how the state works with kleptocracy and corruption everywhere(albeit things are getting a bit better, too slow though).

[Mojocvh]

jmorgan said:

Putin run out of polonium?

Very good [in a terrible way]

RIP, Boris Nemtsov. You will not be forgotten.




A lot of Orange banners there, I seem to remember the same when the Ukrainians grabbed Democracy with both hands...

[paul0843]

MentalSarcasm said:

"President Putin has assumed "personal control" of the investigation into the killing, said his spokesman Dmitry Peskov."

"US President Barack Obama condemned the "brutal murder" and called on the Russian government to conduct a "prompt, impartial and transparent investigation"."

That's right Putins press realese which was issued the day before the murder took place
vows to leave no stone unturned in catching the killers.

[skyrover]

Some interesting details...

http://www.macleans.ca/uncategorized/20000-mourner...

Yashin said:

'Yashin said it was unlikely the report would ever be published because investigators who searched Nemtsov’s apartment after his death took away his laptop.'
Unlikely that he would have only have had the one copy nor indeed kept that version in his apartment, given he was under constant observation from Putin's stooges, but it's unlikely it'll surface without some risk to a publisher. Let's hope he played safe with multiple copies and it appears on some public site soon, although the provenance will be less credible and may not have the same effect without Nemtsov's direct support / public promotion - hence the lead poisoning!

[scherzkeks]

AreOut said:

This assassination could only(potentially) make problems for him, he doesn't have anything positive to get from this.

Careful. I'm not sure they've thought this far.