Kid on bike murdered
Discussion
killingjoker said:
I wish we could bring back capital punishment. Maybe it would deter some of this unbeleivable behaviour if it was a life for a life.
and maybe, no probably, it wouldn't. In the US, statistics would suggest that it's no deterrent. I would guess that very few criminals do a risk/benefit assessment before acting illegally.Edited formatting by Pothole on Tuesday 3rd March 16:38
Edited by Pothole on Tuesday 3rd March 16:38
Hoofy said:
Anybody can do karate, too. I think the issue is that croyde's son lacks self-esteem or something. Sounds like he has "victim" written across his forehead. Perhaps he needs to stick to whatever martial art until it changes him somewhat?
Thing is, some people aren't hard, and some are. It doesn't matter how many classes you go to, if you aren't hard you will lose against someone who is. Similar situation with all sorts of human activities. RobinOakapple said:
Hoofy said:
Anybody can do karate, too. I think the issue is that croyde's son lacks self-esteem or something. Sounds like he has "victim" written across his forehead. Perhaps he needs to stick to whatever martial art until it changes him somewhat?
Thing is, some people aren't hard, and some are. It doesn't matter how many classes you go to, if you aren't hard you will lose against someone who is. Similar situation with all sorts of human activities. Edit: that said, if he were the kid on the bicycle in the OP, he'd still be dead.
Hoofy said:
RobinOakapple said:
Hoofy said:
Anybody can do karate, too. I think the issue is that croyde's son lacks self-esteem or something. Sounds like he has "victim" written across his forehead. Perhaps he needs to stick to whatever martial art until it changes him somewhat?
Thing is, some people aren't hard, and some are. It doesn't matter how many classes you go to, if you aren't hard you will lose against someone who is. Similar situation with all sorts of human activities. No point in fighting over it though...
RobinOakapple said:
We obviously mean something different by 'hard'. It's not something that can be learned.
No point in fighting over it though...
Surely, you could be trained to change your personality?No point in fighting over it though...
Edit: http://youtu.be/qSd9rjiCHlc
Edited by Hoofy on Tuesday 3rd March 16:14
Pothole said:
nd maybe, no probably, it wouldn't. In the US, statistics I would guess that very few criminals do a risk/benefit assessment before acting illegally.
Yep, if he had done some risk analysis - might kill the guy, go to prison, get retaliated against, never get a job, ruin my life etc. - he simply wouldn't have done it.Young urban male - not smart enough to think it through, maybe has to prove himself, probably knows a few people that have been stabbed and didn't die just got a few stitches, peer pressure, no thought to CCTV or forensics...you name it but clearly did not think of any consequences beyond the next 20 seconds.
That is what separates us from them - we think of the consequences and don't commit crime because we can imagine the impact on ours and other's lives.
jdw100 said:
Pothole said:
nd maybe, no probably, it wouldn't. In the US, statistics I would guess that very few criminals do a risk/benefit assessment before acting illegally.
Yep, if he had done some risk analysis - might kill the guy, go to prison, get retaliated against, never get a job, ruin my life etc. - he simply wouldn't have done it.Young urban male - not smart enough to think it through, maybe has to prove himself, probably knows a few people that have been stabbed and didn't die just got a few stitches, peer pressure, no thought to CCTV or forensics...you name it but clearly did not think of any consequences beyond the next 20 seconds.
That is what separates us from them - we think of the consequences and don't commit crime because we can imagine the impact on ours and other's lives.
What is frightening is that the killer is just so casual. He stabs the poor lad and doesn't even look, just walks off and get's on the back of one of the bikes that his mate has taken off the lad's friends.
Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS. Bloody cowards defect and join the other side though.
Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS. Bloody cowards defect and join the other side though.
croyde said:
What is frightening is that the killer is just so casual. He stabs the poor lad and doesn't even look, just walks off and get's on the back of one of the bikes that his mate has taken off the lad's friends.
Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS. Bloody cowards defect and join the other side though.
God bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS. Bloody cowards defect and join the other side though.
Pothole said:
I'd say that's our moral compass. These idiots don't have one.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement.There are things I might want to do but don't - not because of any morality but because of the fear of repercussions.
Also, these guys may in other areas be perhaps more moral (in their sense) and willing to undertake actions due, for example, to a heightened sense of loyalty.
If someone were to kill your friend would you haunt them down and try to kill them regardless of the cost to yourself? Some of these guys would, whereas you or I would rely on the Police and judicial system.
I think you can behave well in society either because of your moral compass or because you are scared of the consequences. I won't do X because its not right or I won't do X because I might get caught and it would ruin my life.
I guess the end result is the same...?
Think I've waffled on here but hope that makes sense.
jdw100 said:
Pothole said:
I'd say that's our moral compass. These idiots don't have one.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement.There are things I might want to do but don't - not because of any morality but because of the fear of repercussions.
Also, these guys may in other areas be perhaps more moral (in their sense) and willing to undertake actions due, for example, to a heightened sense of loyalty.
If someone were to kill your friend would you haunt them down and try to kill them regardless of the cost to yourself? Some of these guys would, whereas you or I would rely on the Police and judicial system.
I think you can behave well in society either because of your moral compass or because you are scared of the consequences. I won't do X because its not right or I won't do X because I might get caught and it would ruin my life.
I guess the end result is the same...?
Think I've waffled on here but hope that makes sense.
croyde said:
Pothole said:
od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?
From being old. Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.
Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.
http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...
dandarez said:
croyde said:
Pothole said:
od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?
From being old. Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.
Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.
http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...
My reaction was to this specifically "Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS". Which is utterly ridiculous.
Pothole said:
dandarez said:
croyde said:
Pothole said:
od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?
From being old. Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.
Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.
http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...
My reaction was to this specifically "Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS". Which is utterly ridiculous.
[quote=Boydie88]Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.
What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.
Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.
The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.
Phil
What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.
Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.
The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.
Phil
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