LHC back online in ten..nine......
Discussion
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-311627...
This sounds very interesting!
Seems like there is real anticipation of new discoveries that may well rock our world.
This sounds very interesting!
Seems like there is real anticipation of new discoveries that may well rock our world.
Will be running at 13 TeV as opposed to the previous 8(ish) TeV(if it doesn't go bang).
Of course, and it's only my impression, but it's looking increasingly like the scientists are saying to each other "Clapton, but we need to come up with something new, all we've done so far is demonstrate the current model and at <cough>ty millions per run that's not going to cut it.
I wish them luck, but lack their, apparent, confidence.
Of course, and it's only my impression, but it's looking increasingly like the scientists are saying to each other "Clapton, but we need to come up with something new, all we've done so far is demonstrate the current model and at <cough>ty millions per run that's not going to cut it.
I wish them luck, but lack their, apparent, confidence.
How is it funded and do those supplying the cash expect a return. If so, how?
It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
Isn't there value in knowledge?
The Higgs Boson took half a century to be found and LHC found it. If we want to know about how things are then we have to seek the answer. Is there a better way of trying to find these things than the LHC? As it is it may be that LHC teaches us how to build a machine that will detect, that it will be maintained, modified and upgraded until it finds more. Surely better than doing nothing?
The Higgs Boson took half a century to be found and LHC found it. If we want to know about how things are then we have to seek the answer. Is there a better way of trying to find these things than the LHC? As it is it may be that LHC teaches us how to build a machine that will detect, that it will be maintained, modified and upgraded until it finds more. Surely better than doing nothing?
Watchman said:
How is it funded and do those supplying the cash expect a return. If so, how?
It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
We may not know what practical applications the information from the LHC may have for decades.It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
Take lasers as an example - Einstein first predicted their existence from his equations in 1917 - it took 11 years for somebody to confirm their existence experimentally - and many decades for real world applications to become commonplace.
What would the world be like now had somebody scrapped laser research a they couldn't think of an immediate application or that it wasn't going to give an immediate return?
Moonhawk said:
What would the world be like now had somebody scrapped laser research a they couldn't think of an immediate application or that it wasn't going to give an immediate return?
This is why some projects need public funding, otherwise most capitalists would never take the risk.Guam said:
Maybe they will release this data unlike the cloud chamber experiments that allegedly they are still sitting on the results of (unless someone knows different)?
Some of the data has already been released in the form of scientific research papers. Below are a couple of papers that have been released into the public domain for free. For the others you would have to subscribe to a journal (or be a member of a library that holds them).http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S...
Moonhawk said:
Watchman said:
How is it funded and do those supplying the cash expect a return. If so, how?
It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
We may not know what practical applications the information from the LHC may have for decades.It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
Take lasers as an example - Einstein first predicted their existence from his equations in 1917 - it took 11 years for somebody to confirm their existence experimentally - and many decades for real world applications to become commonplace.
What would the world be like now had somebody scrapped laser research a they couldn't think of an immediate application or that it wasn't going to give an immediate return?
Digga said:
SlipStream77 said:
What useful information has been forthcoming from the LHC?
You got a least two sensible answers to a question that barely merits acknowledgement. Now please stay out of the debate if you cannot keep up with the science.It was a valid question seeing as despite my having two science degrees, neither of them is in the field of particle physics.
Both of the answers to my query were informative and I've learned from them.
I suggest you put more effort into submitting posts that are actually useful, rather than making assumptions about people and attempting to be a mod.
Watchman said:
The only analogous investment I can think of is war or the 1960s space programme (US and USSR), both analogies involving "competition". There's no such competition for the LHC - probably the purest form of scientific collaboration since the ISS - and there must be some objective in mind to encourage the income.
In layman's terms, this is like building a bigger space telescope. No one can really predict what may be discovered until it is done. It is research right at the envelope of human practical (but not necessarily theoretical) knowledge.Edited by Digga on Friday 6th March 15:02
Moonhawk said:
Watchman said:
How is it funded and do those supplying the cash expect a return. If so, how?
It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
We may not know what practical applications the information from the LHC may have for decades.It's fascinating stuff but considering the money sunk into it, I'd expect someone would want a return on their investment. The US govt presumably got something out of the space programme - even it was *just* the capability to launch satellites.
Take lasers as an example - Einstein first predicted their existence from his equations in 1917 - it took 11 years for somebody to confirm their existence experimentally - and many decades for real world applications to become commonplace.
What would the world be like now had somebody scrapped laser research a they couldn't think of an immediate application or that it wasn't going to give an immediate return?
I'm not saying I'm against them or any technological development, but surely that's the case?
As for the LHC, maybe slower development with a significantly lower budget might be more appropriate given the rather more pressing issues we have at the moment?
SlipStream77 said:
Digga said:
SlipStream77 said:
What useful information has been forthcoming from the LHC?
You got a least two sensible answers to a question that barely merits acknowledgement. Now please stay out of the debate if you cannot keep up with the science.It was a valid question seeing as despite my having two science degrees, neither of them is in the field of particle physics.
Both of the answers to my query were informative and I've learned from them.
I suggest you put more effort into submitting posts that are actually useful, rather than making assumptions about people and attempting to be a mod.
The cost compared to that of showing football does put it nicely into context.
Digga said:
Watchman said:
The only analogous investment I can think of is war or the 1960s space programme (US and USSR), both analogies involving "competition". There's no such competition for the LHC - probably the purest form of scientific collaboration since the ISS - and there must be some objective in mind to encourage the income.
In layman's terms, this is like building a bigger space telescope. No one can really predict what may be discovered until it is done. It is research right at the envelope of human [i]practical{/i] (but not necessarily theoretical) knowledge.REALIST123 said:
As for the LHC, maybe slower development with a significantly lower budget might be more appropriate given the rather more pressing issues we have at the moment?
Why is cost always brought up in these discussions with people saying the money could be spent better elsewhere ( feeding the hungry, employing nurses etc). Not suggesting you are saying that - but still.It is a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme. BT and Sky have just spent nearly as much to show footy for the next three years. A single US nimitz class aircraft carrier costs around half as much again - and the US have 10 of the beasts.
Yes there are pressing issues in the world - but at least experiments like this may lead us to a better place - rather the the money being wasted on frivolities like football etc.
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