Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...
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mybrainhurts said:
Ari said:
Grumfutock said:
I smell another channel and a very similar show coming. Big mistake BBC.
FFS, are people really still seeing this as somehow the BBC's fault? 
You go into work tomorrow and punch a subordinate (if there are any relative to you), see how long your feet continue to touch the ground. Really really not a difficult concept to grasp.
How many times?
Grumfutock said:
WestyCarl said:
Ahh didn't realise normal rules didn't apply to showbiz. Please help me, apart from assault what else is OK, racism? Sexism? sexual harassment?
How silly! Do music stars get the sack for taking drugs? Does a footballer get the sack for hitting another player? Does a comic get the sack for telling a racist joke?Wake up!
p.s. this is a genuine question. What would you have to do to someone else (another employee) for you to justify getting the sack in showbiz?
WestyCarl said:
Grumfutock said:
WestyCarl said:
Ahh didn't realise normal rules didn't apply to showbiz. Please help me, apart from assault what else is OK, racism? Sexism? sexual harassment?
How silly! Do music stars get the sack for taking drugs? Does a footballer get the sack for hitting another player? Does a comic get the sack for telling a racist joke?Wake up!
p.s. this is a genuine question. What would you have to do to someone else (another employee) for you to justify getting the sack in showbiz?
WestyCarl said:
How is it silly? You obviously believe it's ok as showbiz is different, I don't know. Therefore I'm asking where the line is; did Jimmy Savile cross this line when recording Top of the Pops or was that "just showbiz"?
p.s. this is a genuine question. What would you have to do to someone else (another employee) for you to justify getting the sack in showbiz?
Not so sure how you'd apply a black and white rule to stuff like this, but from reports of the incident, it sounds less like assault, more like JC threw a hissy fit as he couldn't have a steak. From what I can gather, these are quite common in showbiz, but must admit it was quite disappointing to see JC was the type to throw one.p.s. this is a genuine question. What would you have to do to someone else (another employee) for you to justify getting the sack in showbiz?
I suspect this had a lot to do with what he was going through outside of work - and clearly needs some time off to recover. Not renewing his contract seems to be one way to make sure he gets it.
Grumfutock said:
My belief is irrelevant. The reality is that show biz IS different!
Of course it is I cannot believe anyone would honestly say it isn't. Have they never heard of a casting couch because it still exists and it is such a closed shop that people will literally do anything to get "in".WestyCarl said:
p.s. this is a genuine question. What would you have to do to someone else (another employee) for you to justify getting the sack in showbiz?
You're asking the wrong question.Assume you (person A) have a company that makes a £100m profit every year. You are the owner with a 60% stake. Another guy (person B) owns 40% and is the 'face' of the company and responsible for >99% of income. You then employ someone on £40K per year (person C) to look after person B.
One evening B gets in a mood and hits C. What would you do?
I would try and get B and C to sort it out between themselves. Maybe offer C some extra time off or a massive bonus. I would do everything I could to not fire B.
alock said:
WestyCarl said:
p.s. this is a genuine question. What would you have to do to someone else (another employee) for you to justify getting the sack in showbiz?
You're asking the wrong question.Assume you (person A) have a company that makes a £100m profit every year. You are the owner with a 60% stake. Another guy (person B) owns 40% and is the 'face' of the company and responsible for >99% of income. You then employ someone on £40K per year (person C) to look after person B.
One evening B gets in a mood and hits C. What would you do?
I would try and get B and C to sort it out between themselves. Maybe offer C some extra time off or a massive bonus. I would do everything I could to not fire B.
What if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
alock said:
You're asking the wrong question.
Assume you (person A) have a company that makes a £100m profit every year. You are the owner with a 60% stake. Another guy (person B) owns 40% and is the 'face' of the company and responsible for >99% of income. You then employ someone on £40K per year (person C) to look after person B.
One evening B gets in a mood and hits C. What would you do?
I would try and get B and C to sort it out between themselves. Maybe offer C some extra time off or a massive bonus. I would do everything I could to not fire B.
Assume you (person A) have a company that makes a £100m profit every year. You are the owner with a 60% stake. Another guy (person B) owns 40% and is the 'face' of the company and responsible for >99% of income. You then employ someone on £40K per year (person C) to look after person B.
One evening B gets in a mood and hits C. What would you do?
I would try and get B and C to sort it out between themselves. Maybe offer C some extra time off or a massive bonus. I would do everything I could to not fire B.
WestyCarl said:
But where is the line where person A (me or you) does have to fire B
What if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
But person B didn't, did he? Person B gave person C a gay, bWhat if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
h slap! No more that footballer A gives to footballer B most Saturdays.The key point is that this isnt the normal world so the normal rules do not apply. To debate if they should or not is entirely another thread.
Grumfutock said:
WestyCarl said:
But where is the line where person A (me or you) does have to fire B
What if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
But person B didn't, did he? Person B gave person C a gay, bWhat if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
h slap! No more that footballer A gives to footballer B most Saturdays.The key point is that this isnt the normal world so the normal rules do not apply. To debate if they should or not is entirely another thread.
)Oh and the football is crap analogy. That is a "physical" sport and isn't a superior hitting / slapping a subordinate.
WestyCarl said:
Grumfutock said:
WestyCarl said:
But where is the line where person A (me or you) does have to fire B
What if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
But person B didn't, did he? Person B gave person C a gay, bWhat if B broke C jaw? Is that still OK? Or what if it became repeated behaviour? (separate argument, but maybe JC has done this a number of times before and was on a informal final warning)
h slap! No more that footballer A gives to footballer B most Saturdays.The key point is that this isnt the normal world so the normal rules do not apply. To debate if they should or not is entirely another thread.
)Oh and the football is crap analogy. That is a "physical" sport and isn't a superior hitting / slapping a subordinate.
TTwiggy said:
AstonZagato said:
I have had one of my business partners (who is arguably more senior than me) take a swing at me when pissed (I was making sure he got back safely to his hotel room after imbibing too many ales at a work function). I dodged it and he fell over. He then swung at another partner who was helping me (the pugilist is a big lad and he was none too steady on his feet). Strangely, after attempting fisticuffs, he then invited us up to his hotel room for some fun. We didn't take him up on that...
If he'd hit me, I am sure he wouldn't have been sacked, nor would I have asked for him to be sacked (but I would probably have hit him back harder).
We would have been sat in a room with the Senior Partner; told not to be such idiots; he would have had to apologise and ordered to behave in future; we'd have shaken hands and got on with our jobs.
And if he'd punched a middle manager? Or salesman? Arguably, as a partner, you are not a simple employee of the company and enjoy the benefits that come with such a position. In that case, it's going to be up to you how far you'd take an assault like this. Someone on PAYE might not feel so generous...If he'd hit me, I am sure he wouldn't have been sacked, nor would I have asked for him to be sacked (but I would probably have hit him back harder).
We would have been sat in a room with the Senior Partner; told not to be such idiots; he would have had to apologise and ordered to behave in future; we'd have shaken hands and got on with our jobs.
In which case the PAYE employee would have politely (and generously) been paid off and asked to leave (with an excellent reference). The Partner was far too valuable to lose. He'd have had his bonus docked by the amount the PAYE employee was paid off (plus a bit more for being a twunt).
tangerine_sedge said:
And, as if by magic we are back on page 3 of the thread...
Blaming the BBC for this - check
Blaming PC gone mad! - check
Blaming the assistant for not manning up - check
Billy-big-balls stories from other industries where this would end in a handshake - check
I can tell, not a lot gets past you. Award yourself a turnip.Blaming the BBC for this - check
Blaming PC gone mad! - check
Blaming the assistant for not manning up - check
Billy-big-balls stories from other industries where this would end in a handshake - check
tangerine_sedge said:
And, as if by magic we are back on page 3 of the thread...
Blaming the BBC for this - check
Blaming PC gone mad! - check
Blaming the assistant for not manning up - check
Billy-big-balls stories from other industries where this would end in a handshake - check
When syllogisms meet cognitive dissonance:Blaming the BBC for this - check
Blaming PC gone mad! - check
Blaming the assistant for not manning up - check
Billy-big-balls stories from other industries where this would end in a handshake - check
- Violence is bad
- Clarkson was violent
- Therefore ... um ... wait a minute ... violence isn't always bad, AND I WANT MY TOP GEAR BACK!
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