HS2, whats the current status ?
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Amateurish said:
monkfish1 said:
Amateurish said:
Rail passenger transport continues to grow year on year worldwide (up 40% in the last 10 years). In the UK, numbers have doubled since the 90s.
And you really think that will continue? Try looking at the numbers here. We are approaching "peak railway" here. At least from a passenger perspective. A period of decline will come.
I can't see how (other than wishful thinking) someone would think that rail is in decline.
You can see from the graph that over the 1995-2018 period of rail privatisation, usage has more than doubled.
From the Department of Transport report on Road Traffic Estimates: Great Britain 2017, car and taxi traffic has only increased by 11.9% in the 1997-2017 period.
HGV traffic is virtually unchanged (2.0% increase over 20 years).
Register1 said:
Chinese railway is amazing.
New Efficient trains.
The Chinese could show the world how to build tracks and stations.
Most of their new CRH stuff runs at around 380 km/h 220 mph without breaking down, on time, and very well appointed carriages.
I was amazed to see them turning the seats round at the start/end of a journey so that everyone's always facing forward. Also impressed how passengers stay in the concourse area and can only get down to the platform when the train is about to arrive. All booked seats, so just queue by where your door will be. No rush, no pushing or shoving. I suspect their commuter trains are rather less civilised though.New Efficient trains.
The Chinese could show the world how to build tracks and stations.
Most of their new CRH stuff runs at around 380 km/h 220 mph without breaking down, on time, and very well appointed carriages.
Amateurish said:
Total passenger km on the UK railway has grown year on year, every year, since the mid 90s. Currently standing at 66 bn passenger km, up from 28.8 in 1994. The journey mix changes, but the growth remains.
The mix will keep changing. Our local line is saturated 7-10 and 4-7, some missed revenue if they could add capacity (platforms are not a limiting factor yet)
ralphrj said:
I can't see how (other than wishful thinking) someone would think that rail is in decline.
You can see from the graph that over the 1995-2018 period of rail privatisation, usage has more than doubled.
From the Department of Transport report on Road Traffic Estimates: Great Britain 2017, car and taxi traffic has only increased by 11.9% in the 1997-2017 period.
HGV traffic is virtually unchanged (2.0% increase over 20 years).
The number of people in the UK has risen substantially during the same period but no new roads other than minor adjustments have been created. People HAVE to use the rail service - there is no option, especially for commuting in the south east. London now has fewer parking spaces and more restrictive roads than previously and the cost of driving it higher. Same for most cities that I'm aware of.You can see from the graph that over the 1995-2018 period of rail privatisation, usage has more than doubled.
From the Department of Transport report on Road Traffic Estimates: Great Britain 2017, car and taxi traffic has only increased by 11.9% in the 1997-2017 period.
HGV traffic is virtually unchanged (2.0% increase over 20 years).
I am a member of one of the SE regional Rail User Groups and the satisfaction with the rail service is near zero - it's rock bottom. People have left jobs because the rail service is so bad, especially public service workers like Nurses and Teachers who have to be in on time or work shifts. I can be late for my IT desk job, I can work from home, but a Nurse has to be on the ward at the start of the shift, no options.
Most people use the rail service because they have to, not by choice, so the increase isn't people making a positive decision to use it because they like it or it offers something they like - it's pure monopoly and the rail operators know it - hence the disaster we have.
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/tel...
Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
amgmcqueen said:
I was going to respond but then I thought you haven't spelt out what "incompetence" you had in mind. Scrapping a project. overspending, or what?amgmcqueen said:
I reckon they will scrap (or delay) the second phase of the project, to the North. HS2 may run fewer, slower trains to stay on budget and schedule
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/13/hs...
HS2 could be forced to run fewer trains and at slower speeds in order to keep the high-speed rail project within budget, the company’s chief executive has said.
The government-backed infrastructure development has faced criticism for “misleading MPs” with price estimates that were hundreds of millions of pounds too low, following fears that costs were spiralling out of control.
It has now emerged that the leader of the Commons, Andrea Leadsom, questioned the “viability” of the project at a meeting of the all-party parliamentary rail group in November, prompting HS2 to suggest a number of potential cost-cutting measures.
In a letter following the meeting, Leadsom told the HS2 Ltd chief executive, Mark Thurston, she was aware he had conceded that “a number of changes to the project may have to be considered in order to keep it within budget and on time”.
The economising options discussed included potentially lowering train speeds of up to 225mph (360km/h) by about 30mph, changing from a slab to a ballast track and reducing the number of trains per hour from 18 to 14, according to the MP for South Northamptonshire, an area through which the HS2 route will pass.........continues
Opps, looks as if the wheels are about to fall off
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/13/hs...
HS2 could be forced to run fewer trains and at slower speeds in order to keep the high-speed rail project within budget, the company’s chief executive has said.
The government-backed infrastructure development has faced criticism for “misleading MPs” with price estimates that were hundreds of millions of pounds too low, following fears that costs were spiralling out of control.
It has now emerged that the leader of the Commons, Andrea Leadsom, questioned the “viability” of the project at a meeting of the all-party parliamentary rail group in November, prompting HS2 to suggest a number of potential cost-cutting measures.
In a letter following the meeting, Leadsom told the HS2 Ltd chief executive, Mark Thurston, she was aware he had conceded that “a number of changes to the project may have to be considered in order to keep it within budget and on time”.
The economising options discussed included potentially lowering train speeds of up to 225mph (360km/h) by about 30mph, changing from a slab to a ballast track and reducing the number of trains per hour from 18 to 14, according to the MP for South Northamptonshire, an area through which the HS2 route will pass.........continues
Opps, looks as if the wheels are about to fall off
robinessex said:
HS2 may run fewer, slower trains to stay on budget and schedule
Opps, looks as if the wheels are about to fall off
Speculation it may only ever get as far as Birmingham, and now be not really high speed. Would seem like a good time to to review the whole economic case.Opps, looks as if the wheels are about to fall off
Downward said:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/tel...
Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
A group of us went to a concert in Brum last month. We got a train there from Stafford (not a small station) okay, but coming back, given this was a Saturday night, the last train was something like 10:30pm! Utterly ludicrous. In the end, we took a later train and then got a taxi from Wolverhampton (we'd have had to get a taxi from Stafford to our village anyway). No one wanted to drive, as we were all drinking, plus there were six of us, but it damn near makes the whole thing easier via taxi/mini bus.Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
When I have got late local line trains back from Birmingham, they've nearly always been very busy, with people using all of the small stops through.
Digga said:
Downward said:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/tel...
Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
A group of us went to a concert in Brum last month. We got a train there from Stafford (not a small station) okay, but coming back, given this was a Saturday night, the last train was something like 10:30pm! Utterly ludicrous. In the end, we took a later train and then got a taxi from Wolverhampton (we'd have had to get a taxi from Stafford to our village anyway). No one wanted to drive, as we were all drinking, plus there were six of us, but it damn near makes the whole thing easier via taxi/mini bus.Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
When I have got late local line trains back from Birmingham, they've nearly always been very busy, with people using all of the small stops through.
8am on a tuesday?
JB! said:
Digga said:
Downward said:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/tel...
Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
A group of us went to a concert in Brum last month. We got a train there from Stafford (not a small station) okay, but coming back, given this was a Saturday night, the last train was something like 10:30pm! Utterly ludicrous. In the end, we took a later train and then got a taxi from Wolverhampton (we'd have had to get a taxi from Stafford to our village anyway). No one wanted to drive, as we were all drinking, plus there were six of us, but it damn near makes the whole thing easier via taxi/mini bus.Shrewsbury to Bham service is 2 carriages at rush hour ffs.
When I have got late local line trains back from Birmingham, they've nearly always been very busy, with people using all of the small stops through.
8am on a tuesday?
Camoradi said:
I seem to recall an industry expert (or a bloke who fixes the brakes on trains) saying that maximum capacity on a line is achieved by running trains slower anyway, as you can run them closer together and therefore more frequently.
Or I may have dreamt this....
LS2 it is!
I once saw an anaylsis of the most efficient speed for maximum passenger density done for the HS2 route. The answer was 40mph !!Or I may have dreamt this....
LS2 it is!
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