UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[anonymous-user]

Troubleatmill said:

Good

Should help to shore up the core UKIP vote.

[anonymous-user]

Troubleatmill said:

Full face veils are not apparatus to protect your health.
They were made for one reason only: prevent your identity from being revealed to others.
And for that reason alone - they should be banned in public.

Do you really think the almost spherical women of west London who wear these things are actually up to no good? Or that female Muslim Weil wearers are really the brains of terrorist operations worldwide?

These lads

are concealing their faces for a good reason.

This woman not so much I think.

And this lady seems to have very little to hide:

(ok, the third one is satirical, I admit. From Burning Man).

[Troubleatmill]

Troubleatmill said:

Bilge

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I'm white and fairly well educated.
I have been fortunate enough to spend 30% of my adult life living and working all around the world.
And I have seen many wonderful places in my time.

My point is very simple ( despite some shouting "say what you really mean......" )
In the UK - Identity is important.
As a society - hundreds of millions has been invested in CCTV etc.
Almost every retail outlet, high street etc are covered with them.

As above - that one garment is specifically designed to prevent your identify from being recognised.



Islam does not dictate the garment being worn. A headscarf will suffice.

[anonymous-user]

Greg66 said:

Troubleatmill said:

Full face veils are not apparatus to protect your health.
They were made for one reason only: prevent your identity from being revealed to others.
And for that reason alone - they should be banned in public.

Do you really think the almost spherical women of west London who wear these things are actually up to no good? Or that female Muslim Weil wearers are really the brains of terrorist operations worldwide?

These lads

are concealing their faces for a good reason.

This woman not so much I think.

And this lady seems to have very little to hide:

(ok, the third one is satirical, I admit. From Burning Man).

There something wrong with that Audi's rear lights

[Lance Catamaran]

Troubleatmill said:

Troubleatmill said:

Bilge

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I'm white and fairly well educated.
I have been fortunate enough to spend 30% of my adult life living and working all around the world.
And I have seen many wonderful places in my time.

My point is very simple ( despite some shouting "say what you really mean......" )
In the UK - Identity is important.
As a society - hundreds of millions has been invested in CCTV etc.
Almost every retail outlet, high street etc are covered with them.

As above - that one garment is specifically designed to prevent your identify from being recognised.



Islam does not dictate the garment being worn. A headscarf will suffice.

It's also very basic psychology - we communicate and interact with people based on their facial expressions and eye movement. Hide that and it causes distrust and fear because you do not know who is behind the mask. When we're supposed to be about gender equality and equal rights, why are we fine with women being forced to hide their faces so they don't tempt men into adultery?

[Troubleatmill]

anonymous said:

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If you read a few posts up from my original one.... someone had quoted about bike helmets and banks.
My reply was that bike helmets etc - are there for safety reasons.

And I have mentioned your identity being on show in public in several threads prior to this.
Previous discussion went the way of banning bike helmets etc.

But don't let that cloud your judgement on me.... carry on..

[bitchstewie]

rscott said:

bhstewie said:

So far the only policy issue that seems to have come out it a Burkha ban.

Do people really let that decide who gets their vote?

They're also going to abolish postal voting and outlawing Sharia Law (whatever that means...)

Looks like they've just been reading the Britain First page.

To be fair I'm not a fan of the Burkha, but I'm also not a fan of banning things simply because I don't agree with them.

Where the are security concerns just treat everyone equally, job done.

I also can't really understand how this kind of policy would appeal to the average voter i.e. I'd have thought they'd be far more concerned about a lot of things before this one figured anywhere on the list.

[Rich_W]

The issue with burkas and hijabs is the reason behind them. To control or subjugate women.

And THAT is not what our society is about! We, in the western CIVILISED world believe in equality for women!

But if you have a religion that drags its people back to the stone age, and brain washes them...

[Countdown]

bhstewie said:

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I also can't really understand how this kind of policy would appeal to the average voter i.e. I'd have thought they'd be far more concerned about a lot of things before this one figured anywhere on the list.<snip>

It's designed to appeal to a specific subset of UKIP supporters, the type that voted Leave "to stop muslim immigration".

If you recall Farage's comments after Nuttall failed to win the Stoke by-election he criticised him for not focussing on immigration. Now that Brexit is a done deal He knows that UKIP's raison d'etre needs to change to immigration thereby providing a haven for right-wing tories as well as retaining those voters who previously voted BNP.

[anonymous-user]

techiedave said:

There something wrong with that Audi's rear lights

They all do that, Sir.

[Lance Catamaran]

Lance Catamaran said:

It's also very basic psychology - we communicate and interact with people based on their facial expressions and eye movement. Hide that and it causes distrust and fear because you do not know who is behind the mask. When we're supposed to be about gender equality and equal rights, why are we fine with women being forced to hide their faces so they don't tempt men into adultery?

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Again, it's very basic psychology and how we and many species function. Why do you think the design of so many iconic villains involves them hiding their face? That loss of individuality and forced conformity is such a common trope? As for choice, do you honestly think women are doing this of their own volition, and not forced to by their family and community? Again, what exactly is feminist about hiding your entire body so as not to tempt men? The way Islamic countries treat women is disgusting, but you never hear a peep out of feminists about it. Still, men sitting with their legs too far apart explaining things are obviously far more pressing concerns. If we should be allowed to dress however we want then should people be allowed to wear bike helmets in a bank, a police uniform, Gas The Jews t-shirt, or nothing at all in public?

Interesting you have assumed I'm a white male and used it as a pejorative as well. But I assume casual racism is fine in that context?

[technodup]

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Some men have too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-i...

[anonymous-user]

This shows that there is a supportive audience for such stuff.

Will it be enough to win them a seat or two?

[Rich_W]

Rich_W said:

The issue with burkas and hijabs is

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Interesting that you ASSUME I'm white

I'm sure they CHOOSE Cause of course, women who disobey their Islamic husbands in the west are of course respected and allowed to do so without fear of retribution or punishment...

I'm not advocating banning of anything. I'm pointing out that the religion of peace is barbaric in its attitude towards women, and shouldn't be allowed to use "freedom of clothes" to continue that attitude

Ah yes, I seem to recall the failed Tiger Tiger nighclub bombers saying something similar.

"all those slags dancing around" Your parallel says a lot about you!

I admit a lot of these girls dress sense is pretty stupid and doesn't appeal to me. BUT it's THEIR choice and as result I'm ok with it.

tinpot said:

When did we forget that what makes the UK is its tolerance and acceptance of others races and cultures?

So its mandatory to accept others stupid beliefs, but non Islamic women in the UK must not dress "like prostitutes" presumably so as not to offend followers of islam

tinpot said:

Why are you so hung up on this? How does it affect you exactly? Is it stopping your life in some way?

Why are you happy to accept women being treated like possessions in how they act or dress? I'll leave you with this quote

wiki said:

..and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire,

It's disgusting behaviour and I will NEVER respect it! The sooner Islam "modernises" and gives Women equality the better. I suspect it never will...

Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 23 April 15:35

[technodup]

technodup said:

ome men have too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-i...

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I made an observation, not an argument. I literally couldn't give a fk either way.

Try harder, cretin.

[Mothersruin]

Islam won't modernise.

I find it interesting that some people think that Islam will change at some point soon to become compatible with the Western world. It isn't going to.

I guess we have to tolerate it and accept that it brings with it the radical elements and stone age thought processes to our shores.

tol·er·ate

verb

-allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference.
"a regime unwilling to tolerate dissent"
synonyms: allow, permit, condone, accept, swallow, countenance; More

-accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance.
"how was it that she could tolerate such noise?"
synonyms: endure, put up with, bear, take, stand, support, stomach, deal with; abide
"he couldn't tolerate her mood swings any longer"

[Trabi601]

Rich_W said:

The issue with burkas and hijabs is the reason behind them. To control or subjugate women.

And THAT is not what our society is about! We, in the western CIVILISED world believe in equality for women!

But if you have a religion that drags its people back to the stone age, and brain washes them...

Hardly a great example - especially as the rise of Islamic extremism was sponsored by the USA because, at the time, Islamic extremism was seen as less of a threat than those pinko commie bds.

[Rich_W]

I wont allow myself to tolerate it either. It's st.

"one rule for one and another for another" is disingenuous! This is the UK. Or the western world. We have values that are modern, tolerant, progressive and simply BETTER than those in other parts of the world. And if those people wish to come to our modern world. (not just the UK) Then they better make sure they subscribe to the same ethics and values! And if they fail to conform to those fair rules. Then they should be punshied.

And don't try and frame that as "thought police" or some "random stazi" reference. We are allowed in the west complete freedoms. We are only prevented by law from harming other people. Not having a differnet opinion

It IS the right thing! There can be no normal civilised society that doesn't allow Women the same rights as Men in every facet of life. It's not ill informed to point out that to have one sex more powerful than the other is backwards, destructive and immoral!

And should be crushed and stamped out! For EVERYONES sake

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I think everyone from the west would agree that domestic violence is a serious problem. And the 2 cases I know of personally both guys were white.

The problem here is that whilst White women will (generally) eventually press charges because the prevailing culture in the UK is to allow Women to come and go as they please. Women who are victims of domestic violence in minority groups simply don't have the freedom to report it. It's not easy to go to the Police station if the only time you go out is with your husband!

Or they are so in fear of the repercussions they will choose to ignore it.

[Trabi601]

Rich_W said:

It IS the right thing! There can be no normal civilised society that doesn't allow Women the same rights as Men in every facet of life. It's not ill informed to point out that to have one sex more powerful than the other is backwards, destructive and immoral!

The Western world only, in the grand scheme of the planet, recently realised this and acted accordingly.

Not every society adapts and changes at the same rate - and I'm sure in 50 years we'll look back at something we do today and slate it as backward and / or barbaric.

That's not making excuses or being an apologist, it's just the reality.

But I'd also say that I witness a fairly large proportion of dominant Muslim women, too - even those wearing some of the more modest traditional dress rule over their husbands both in business and at home.

Edited by Trabi601 on Sunday 23 April 17:26

[anonymous-user]

Tin Robot why are YOU so obsessed by this.
Don't feel a need to rush to reply I may not look at the thread for some time but just curious why you are. And why you feel such need to be personally offensive to other posters ?