UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[Jinx]

del mar said:

oop north said:

rscott said:

So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...

it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"


(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )

Their use of it as an excuse to pretend they aren't racist is amusing in its ineptitude - but my GP wife does point out that this is a problem

Is your GP wife racist as well ?

UKIP point out a problem and it is racist, you wife points it out / agrees with them and she is not, how does that work ?

The vitamin D deficiency is a problem for certain cultures in this country - and it is due in part to the lack of sunlight reaching the skin because of traditional dress (limited weaker sunlight in the UK compared with the regions the traditional dress originated). Instead of addressing this in a targeted way we get vitamin D added to everything and inappropriate generalised health advice. Now we can phrase this with racist language but that doesn't invalidate the problem (and associated cost to the NHS).

[Trabi601]

Jinx said:

The vitamin D deficiency is a problem for certain cultures in this country - and it is due in part to the lack of sunlight reaching the skin because of traditional dress (limited weaker sunlight in the UK compared with the regions the traditional dress originated). Instead of addressing this in a targeted way we get vitamin D added to everything and inappropriate generalised health advice. Now we can phrase this with racist language but that doesn't invalidate the problem (and associated cost to the NHS).

You'd be surprised at how many people do suffer Vitamin D deficiencies, though - I've just been diagnosed with an issue and I spend a lot of time outside running and cycling. My GP hinted that a lot of runners suffer from it, though. I think it's related to 'foot strike haematosis'.

[Vaud]

Jinx said:

del mar said:

oop north said:

rscott said:

So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...

it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"


(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )

Their use of it as an excuse to pretend they aren't racist is amusing in its ineptitude - but my GP wife does point out that this is a problem

Is your GP wife racist as well ?

UKIP point out a problem and it is racist, you wife points it out / agrees with them and she is not, how does that work ?

The vitamin D deficiency is a problem for certain cultures in this country - and it is due in part to the lack of sunlight reaching the skin because of traditional dress (limited weaker sunlight in the UK compared with the regions the traditional dress originated). Instead of addressing this in a targeted way we get vitamin D added to everything and inappropriate generalised health advice. Now we can phrase this with racist language but that doesn't invalidate the problem (and associated cost to the NHS).

It is also diet related as I understand it.

For all of the Bradford health district areas new parents are given vitamin drop supplements for their babies.

They would narrow it down to the communities that actually at risk but apparently that would be profiling, so they just make it policy across the whole district.

Bear in mind that BD health district covers an extreme diversity in affluence, education and communities.

[whythem]

Vaud said:

Jinx said:

del mar said:

oop north said:

rscott said:

So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...

it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"


(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )

Their use of it as an excuse to pretend they aren't racist is amusing in its ineptitude - but my GP wife does point out that this is a problem

Is your GP wife racist as well ?

UKIP point out a problem and it is racist, you wife points it out / agrees with them and she is not, how does that work ?

The vitamin D deficiency is a problem for certain cultures in this country - and it is due in part to the lack of sunlight reaching the skin because of traditional dress (limited weaker sunlight in the UK compared with the regions the traditional dress originated). Instead of addressing this in a targeted way we get vitamin D added to everything and inappropriate generalised health advice. Now we can phrase this with racist language but that doesn't invalidate the problem (and associated cost to the NHS).

It is also diet related as I understand it.

For all of the Bradford health district areas new parents are given vitamin drop supplements for their babies.

They would narrow it down to the communities that actually at risk but apparently that would be profiling, so they just make it policy across the whole district.

Bear in mind that BD health district covers an extreme diversity in affluence, education and communities.

So it does look like Ukip do have a point after all, with their daftest point in the manifesto. Could it be an "in" joke among friends? Maybe even a whoosh parrot moment for some of you?

[Deptford Draylons]

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Breadvan72 said:

The candidate for Henley (or rather one of his drones) dropped his hate sheet through the letterbox yesterday. UKIP really have gone full Xenophobe on this one. Recent events have led to Xenophobia becoming normalised. UKIP aren't even pretending not to be shouty hateys any more.

Is their leaflet any worse than this ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40053376/mancheste...

Nice whataboutism there. Difference is the Didsbury leaflet apparently wasn't an official publication from the mosque, unlike these election leaflets

Never said it was. Official or not, its what they were pushing out as 'normal' on an open day. You accuse 'whataboutism' and use it as an excuse not to face up to the contents and move on. Then again, its become your hallmark on such threads.

I agree the Didsbury leaflet is disgusting and am happy to discuss it. However it's not relevant to the UKIP discussion so would be better suited to another thread.

It proves a part of the problem that exists and explains why they've adopted an all out xenophobic approach, as BV put it.
Mocking Ukip and calling them racist on things like BBC comedy shows is easy and socially acceptable and will boost those tolerance credentials some seek. Ask yourself why so few do the same on the type of leaflet here and you'll be finding a part of the problem.

[rscott]

Deptford Draylons said:

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Breadvan72 said:

The candidate for Henley (or rather one of his drones) dropped his hate sheet through the letterbox yesterday. UKIP really have gone full Xenophobe on this one. Recent events have led to Xenophobia becoming normalised. UKIP aren't even pretending not to be shouty hateys any more.

Is their leaflet any worse than this ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40053376/mancheste...

Nice whataboutism there. Difference is the Didsbury leaflet apparently wasn't an official publication from the mosque, unlike these election leaflets

Never said it was. Official or not, its what they were pushing out as 'normal' on an open day. You accuse 'whataboutism' and use it as an excuse not to face up to the contents and move on. Then again, its become your hallmark on such threads.

I agree the Didsbury leaflet is disgusting and am happy to discuss it. However it's not relevant to the UKIP discussion so would be better suited to another thread.

It proves a part of the problem that exists and explains why they've adopted an all out xenophobic approach, as BV put it.
Mocking Ukip and calling them racist on things like BBC comedy shows is easy and socially acceptable and will boost those tolerance credentials some seek. Ask yourself why so few do the same on the type of leaflet here and you'll be finding a part of the problem.

Why don't you start a new thread on the Didsbury leaflet (ideally with a picture of it) and we can all discuss it there? If what's been said about it is correct, then it goes beyond something to laugh about (like Kippers who can't spell sending out leaflets about education) and into the area of hate speech and worthy of drawing to the attention of the authorities.

As for why are UKIP more of a target for comedy/mocking - for a start their activities/literature tend to have a much wider circulation than the leaflets you mentioned, hence more will comment on them.

[Deptford Draylons]

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

rscott said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Breadvan72 said:

The candidate for Henley (or rather one of his drones) dropped his hate sheet through the letterbox yesterday. UKIP really have gone full Xenophobe on this one. Recent events have led to Xenophobia becoming normalised. UKIP aren't even pretending not to be shouty hateys any more.

Is their leaflet any worse than this ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40053376/mancheste...

Nice whataboutism there. Difference is the Didsbury leaflet apparently wasn't an official publication from the mosque, unlike these election leaflets

Never said it was. Official or not, its what they were pushing out as 'normal' on an open day. You accuse 'whataboutism' and use it as an excuse not to face up to the contents and move on. Then again, its become your hallmark on such threads.

I agree the Didsbury leaflet is disgusting and am happy to discuss it. However it's not relevant to the UKIP discussion so would be better suited to another thread.

It proves a part of the problem that exists and explains why they've adopted an all out xenophobic approach, as BV put it.
Mocking Ukip and calling them racist on things like BBC comedy shows is easy and socially acceptable and will boost those tolerance credentials some seek. Ask yourself why so few do the same on the type of leaflet here and you'll be finding a part of the problem.

Why don't you start a new thread on the Didsbury leaflet (ideally with a picture of it) and we can all discuss it there? If what's been said about it is correct, then it goes beyond something to laugh about (like Kippers who can't spell sending out leaflets about education) and into the area of hate speech and worthy of drawing to the attention of the authorities.

As for why are UKIP more of a target for comedy/mocking - for a start their activities/literature tend to have a much wider circulation than the leaflets you mentioned, hence more will comment on them.

The leaflet is a tiny part of the problem and probably doesn't warrant its own thread, so would probably be better off on a thread discussing the wider problem of Islam and more radical Muslims.
It would also be a waste of time because you seem to want to gloss over the points made. I made a point of why its almost trendy to shout fascist at Ukip people which will even enhance your career for some, but few will even want to comment on the Mosque leaflet despite them being the exact same thing. That disparity is a huge part of the problem.

[Trabi601]

Big bloody difference between an unofficial leaflet produced by one or two more radicals at a Mosque and what a nationally recognised political party sends out.

I'd be more likely to compare the alleged unofficial Mosque leaflet to the bile published and posted online by Britain First and the EDL.

[Deptford Draylons]

Trabi601 said:

Big bloody difference between an unofficial leaflet produced by one or two more radicals at a Mosque and what a nationally recognised political party sends out.

I'd be more likely to compare the alleged unofficial Mosque leaflet to the bile published and posted online by Britain First and the EDL.

The obvious reverse analogy would be in C of E churches were handing out EDL or BF type literature. I'd like to think you'd adopt the same stance if someone was handing out unofficial hate leaflets at a Ukip conference, or you'd adopt the stance it was just typical and further proof.
You remind me of George Galloway having a hissy fit at the film maker who did uncover mosque and raged when the guy pointed out it was near impossible to find a vicar giving a sermon that could be controversial or hate speech, while is was common at many mosques under the guise of being conservative Islam.

[Trabi601]

Plenty of references to Christian (particularly Catholic) sermons having content which can be classified as 'hate speech'.

[Deptford Draylons]

Trabi601 said:

Plenty of references to Christian (particularly Catholic) sermons having content which can be classified as 'hate speech'.

Expose this hate speech happening in UK churches.

[Trabi601]

Deptford Draylons said:

Trabi601 said:

Plenty of references to Christian (particularly Catholic) sermons having content which can be classified as 'hate speech'.

Expose this hate speech happening in UK churches.

Preaching that non-believers will burn in hell or that gay marriage is a sin worthy of the devil doesn't make headline news. It's much more newsworthy if non-Christians preach hate - as it gets the attention and outrage of your sort.

[alfie2244]

Trabi601 said:

Preaching that non-believers will burn in hell or that gay marriage is a sin worthy of the devil doesn't make headline news. It's much more newsworthy if non-Christians preach hate - as it gets the attention and outrage of your sort.

Start a new thread and expose it as it should be?

[Deptford Draylons]

Trabi601 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Trabi601 said:

Plenty of references to Christian (particularly Catholic) sermons having content which can be classified as 'hate speech'.

Expose this hate speech happening in UK churches.

Preaching that non-believers will burn in hell or that gay marriage is a sin worthy of the devil doesn't make headline news. It's much more newsworthy if non-Christians preach hate - as it gets the attention and outrage of your sort.

So your example we take your word on sounds like preaching the old testament ? Yep, proof that religion is st and contains a lot of bad out of date crap. Not quite on the same level of the more sinister end of what we know is a proven problem in mosques of people actually calling for jihad though which has worked, but good try.

[Trabi601]

alfie2244 said:

Trabi601 said:

Preaching that non-believers will burn in hell or that gay marriage is a sin worthy of the devil doesn't make headline news. It's much more newsworthy if non-Christians preach hate - as it gets the attention and outrage of your sort.

Start a new thread and expose it as it should be?

I'm not the regressive idiot getting wound up by 'hate preaching'.

To believe that Islam has a monopoly on religious hate preaching is very short sighted indeed. But many people posting here have a very specific anti-Muslim agenda.

[alfie2244]

Trabi601 said:

alfie2244 said:

Trabi601 said:

Preaching that non-believers will burn in hell or that gay marriage is a sin worthy of the devil doesn't make headline news. It's much more newsworthy if non-Christians preach hate - as it gets the attention and outrage of your sort.

Start a new thread and expose it as it should be?

I'm not the regressive idiot getting wound up by 'hate preaching'.

To believe that Islam has a monopoly on religious hate preaching is very short sighted indeed. But many people posting here have a very specific anti-Muslim agenda.

I don't have a single religious bone in my body so none of it makes any sense to me. Nor do I have any psychology qualifications but you do appear a bit "wound up" to me.

[Deptford Draylons]

Trabi601 said:

alfie2244 said:

Trabi601 said:

Preaching that non-believers will burn in hell or that gay marriage is a sin worthy of the devil doesn't make headline news. It's much more newsworthy if non-Christians preach hate - as it gets the attention and outrage of your sort.

Start a new thread and expose it as it should be?

I'm not the regressive idiot getting wound up by 'hate preaching'.

To believe that Islam has a monopoly on religious hate preaching is very short sighted indeed. But many people posting here have a very specific anti-Muslim agenda.

You were asked to use your brain as to the scale of the problem. You provided one lame example, that doesn't even really fit, as a way to spread the blame around and then of course do your little Islamophobe act.
Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?

[Trabi601]

Deptford Draylons said:

You were asked to use your brain as to the scale of the problem. You provided one lame example, that doesn't even really fit, as a way to spread the blame around and then of course do your little Islamophobe act.
Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?

The biggest threat?

The insular, racist and xenophobic idiots who 'hate' a whole race / religion based on the actions of a few nut jobs. That's exactly what ISIS want to achieve, as it justifies their cause. But there are many who are so blinded by their own rage they cannot see this.

Manchester came together this week - didn't matter what colour, race, religion you were - it was a city united against the minority wanting to disrupt our way of life.

It's a shame a number of the PH racist contingent can't see it the same way.

[jjlynn27]

Deptford Draylons said:

You were asked to use your brain as to the scale of the problem.

Doubt that anyone will be cruel enough to ask you to use yours.

Deptford Draylons said:

You provided one lame example, that doesn't even really fit, as a way to spread the blame around and then of course do your little Islamophobe act.
Lets start to cure the problem by saying which is the bigger problem in the UK by a factor that's off the scale disproportionately. Is it extremist C of E vicars, or extremist preaching and literature in and out of Mosques, as per the example ?

Why are you so intent on derailing this thread? This is the thread to laugh at UKIP's idiocies.

Plenty of 'I really dislike moslamics' threads around.

[alfie2244]

jjlynn27 said:

Why are you so intent on derailing this thread? This is the thread to laugh at UKIP's idiocies.

Plenty of 'I really dislike moslamics' threads around.