UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[ORD]

don'tbesilly said:

I'd ask for some supporting evidence to back up such a claim, but apparently all your claims are ambiguous.

...........

A fair criticism that of course not all of the 52 per cent were persuaded by UKIP nutters. I take that back. Many Leavers are sound of mind and have appropriate levels of contempt for UKIP, Farage et al. I was wrong to say what I did.

UKIP-ish nonsense still was the decisive force, though: immigration hysteria, principally, weaponised by an intensely cynical campaign.

[don'tbesilly]

ORD said:

don'tbesilly said:

I'd ask for some supporting evidence to back up such a claim, but apparently all your claims are ambiguous.

...........

A fair criticism that of course not all of the 52 per cent were persuaded by UKIP nutters. I take that back. Many Leavers are sound of mind and have appropriate levels of contempt for UKIP, Farage et al. I was wrong to say what I did.

UKIP-ish nonsense still was the decisive force, though: immigration hysteria, principally, weaponised by an intensely cynical campaign.

I appreciate the honesty and apology ORD.

I rather suspect your last sentence is not far from the truth.

The Remain campaign did little to nothing to counter what had been a major concern for a large number of the electorate in regards to immigration.

The concern was nothing new in 2015 when Cameron first promised a referendum, the concern had existed for a considerable amount of time before the referendum was even announced.

The fact Remain didn't pick up on this and come up with a sensible answer/solution* as part of their campaign to this concern was a major error on their part and just solely focusing on the financial aspect of leaving the EU was the downfall of the campaign for Remain IMO.

* I appreciate Remain were hampered by the free movement aspect (one of the 4 freedoms) of leaving the European Union, however they didn't come up with anything at all.

[rs1952]

mx5nut said:

Things don't seem to be going too well for Farage since Trump ditched him. He may be back in the top job at UKIP himself if he gets his wish for a second referendum.

I’ve been wondering long and hard about this since I first heard about it.

The Gobshyte says that he is “warming to the idea of a second referendum” to shut the Blairs, the Adonises and all the others up. This of course is as shallow as a dried up ditch – he knows that those people who are diametrically opposed to Brexit are just as likely to shut up about it as he was to accept the result of the last referendum we had on it, and then 40 subsequent years worth of pro-EU parliaments.

He must have something in the back of his mind that he’s not letting on about. What we have to go on:

• His party, its main job now apparently done, is falling apart
• He is not getting his face in the media as much as he previously has
• Come the next EU elections there won’t be any British candidates and, without EU money, one of UKIP’s major sources of income is going to dry up
• More importantly for him perhaps, the Gobshytes own income level is going to drop substantially (I can’t see him making as much money out in the real world as he’s creaming out of the EU, or at least for as little actual work)

I’m “warming to the idea” that he wants another referendum so that he can lose it for the leave side. That way, the party gets a boost from a lot of very irritated Brexiteers donating their brass or voting for them or both, he probably gets to keep his MEPs job, and he can carry on carping about Europe and getting paid handsomely for it until he finally takes the Chiltern Hundreds and puts himself out to pasture.

Makes you think, dunnit...?

Edited by rs1952 on Saturday 20th January 19:19

[jjlynn27]

rs1952 said:

I’ve been wondering long and hard about this since I first heard about it.

The Gobshyte says that he is “warming to the idea of a second referendum” to shut the Blairs, the Adonises and all the others up. This of course is as shallow as a dried up ditch – he knows that those people who are diametrically opposed to Brexit are just as likely to shut up about it as he was to accept the result of the last referendum we had on it, and then 40 subsequent years worth of pro-EU parliaments.

He must have something in the back of his mind that he’s not letting on about. What we have to go on:

• His party, its main job now apparently done, is falling apart
• He is not getting his face in the media as much as he previously has
• Come the next EU elections there won’t be any British candidates and, without EU money, one of UKIP’s major sources of income is going to dry up
• More importantly for him perhaps, the Gobshytes own income level is going to drop substantially (I can’t see him making as much money out in the real world as he’s creaming out of the EU, or at least for as little actual work)

I’m “warming to the idea” that he wants another referendum so that he can lose it for the leave side. That way, the party gets a boost from a lot of very irritated Brexiteers donating their brass or voting for them or both, he probably gets to keep his MEPs job, and he can carry on carping about Europe and getting paid handsomely for it until he finally takes the Chiltern Hundreds and puts himself out to pasture.

Makes you think, dunnit...?

Edited by rs1952 on Saturday 20th January 19:19

I doubt that it goes any further than 'I really really want to get my mug in the papers' at the moment. I did force myself to listen to him one time on LBC, and it was painful. He's so out of depth on any subject whatsoever, unless it's a die-hard kipper singing praises.

[eharding]

This morning Bolton announced that UKIP is "probably over" if the NEC call a vote of no-confidence in his leadership.

This afternoon, the UKIP NEC have called a vote of no-confidence in his leadership, to be put to the membership.

Are there any paid-up 'Kippers still here? Any comments on which way you'll be voting?

Edited by eharding on Sunday 21st January 17:20

[rs1952]

eharding said:

This morning Bolton announced that UKIP is "probably over" if the NEC call a vote of no-confidence in his leadership.

This afternoon, the UKIP NEC have called a vote of no-confidence in his leadership, to be put to the membership.

Are there any paid-up 'Kippers still here? Any comments on which way you'll be voting?

As so many of our resident kippers have gone to ground just lately I thought I’d have a look back to 2015. The thread “How many seats will UKIP win?” is here:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

This is what some of the PH massif (and not just kippers) had to say at the time:

Thankyou4calling said:

At the forthcoming general election.

I know percentage of the popular vote doesn't translate to seats so, realistically, how many do people think they will win this time around.

I'll start with 5.

Jasandjules said:

I suspect 15-20% of the vote. But that won't translate into as many seats, perhaps 10-15 seats.

Soov535 said:

When people stand at the ballot box alone with no one watching them they will put their cross where they want to, and I can assure you that when people are left alone to do so they will vote UKIP in their millions.

jogon said:

I'm going for 14 seats.

FiF said:

After much number crunching and a bit of a wobble yesterday I'll stick with what I have said for a while now. 3-8 outside chance of 10 but essentially around 5 if you want a number.

Scuffers said:

Derek Smith said:

From what I've seen, Farage is the only face of the ukip that I've seen. His rant against the BBC couldn't have helped his ratings. I'd bet on 6 or fewer. The election has moved away from immigration in the main so moved away from the ukip's base.

with respect Derek, you clearly have not been looking at very much then.

Although UKIP is undoubtedly very much Nigel Farage, they have a very competent front bench behind him, they are by no means a one-man-band.

May I suggest you spend a few minutes watching some of them on Youtube, specifically:

Steven Woolfe, Diane James, Suzanne Evans, etc etc.

As they say, a week is a long time in politics

[Eddie Strohacker]

rs1952 said:

As they say, a week is a long time in politics

It's increasingly a long time to be UKIP leader too.

[Halb]

rs1952 said:

As they say, a week is a long time in politics

Derek was pretty much spot on there.

[Dindoit]

Do we recognise anyone here in the new UKIP leader candidate? https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/jimwaterson/never...

report said:

"I've done my own research on climate change," he wrote in one comment, "rather than believe any one side's view and I've come to the conclusion that it's a non problem – we should be focused on solving real World problems like starvation, disease, lack of drinking water, sanitation and medicine instead of spending $trillions reducing a notional temperature rise by a % of a degree."

Instead he recommended observing the weather rather than relying on scientists: "The UK Met Office told us that last summer was going to be one of the hottest and this Winter one of the warmest in the last 20 years – both out by a country mile."

In another post he he attacked prominent climate change activists: "Monbiot, Hansen, Gore et al have taken the believers on the biggest hoax ride in the history on mankind [sic] – do what I have done – engage brain, do your own research, observer the real climate and reach some conclusions. Don't muddy a scientific question with politics and religious beliefs – it doesn't work."

He also said that "anthropogenic global warming" – the term for the theory that the Earth is warming due to increased carbon dioxide emissions – is a "proxy for achieving political and socialist objectives". Its main effect, he said, is to "beat back capitalism, globalisation, technology, industry and the USA".

"CO2 has a very limited effect on the climate compared to solar and other planetary forces e.g. Ocean circulation," Bickley said in a later posting.

One repeated theme in comments by "bickmeister" is the idea that climate change is a hoax maintained by governments and businesses in the green energy sector: "Climate has always changed. Thousands of people & companies rely on the climate change 'scare' continuing to be propagated."

I for one wish turbobickmeister the best of luck.

[eharding]

UKIP Deputy leader and Brexit spokesman resigned as well:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/22/uki...

Can't be long before Bolton finally takes the hint.

[berlintaxi]

[quote=eharding
Can't be long before Bolton finally takes the hint.
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Heard he's waiting until his cousin Ramsay can step into his shoes, more in keeping with the party beliefs.

[Halb]

[anonymous-user]

Well UKIP have voted to rid themselves of Mr Bolton.
63% I think it was

[PlatinumSun]

Married, middle-aged bloke, leaves wife for a woman half his age, who then utters racist slurs against the Royal Family. I thought that was the sort of behaviour UKIP Members would love and support, but what do I know eh

[berlintaxi]

Ain't they bankrupt both financially and morally now?

[Gloria Slap]

techiedave said:

Well UKIP have voted to rid themselves of Mr Bolton.
63% I think it was

Was he voted out because he didn’t support his girlfriends tweets?

[BlackLabel]

This guy is apparently one of the favourites to be next leader.



The creepy donkey rape guy won’t be back though because he’s started his own party.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-activist-sa...

[berlintaxi]

BlackLabel said:

The creepy donkey rape guy won’t be back though because he’s started his own party.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-activist-sa...

The limp wristed donkey party, got a nice ring to it.

[CoupeTeddy]

He should stay with UKIP all right wing xenophobic s together

[BlackLabel]