UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[S1KRR]

wc98 said:

what context ? have i to assume from his remark that while the politician in question isn't worth him raping others might be ? it was an utterly moronic thing to say. it isn't like phillips doesn't provide people with plenty of ammo to highlight her stupidity and hypocrisy on more than a few issues ffs.

I agree.

By playing her and not the ball. Benjamin has given her a way of diverting from her words or actions.

She will now use the defence of "anyone that disagrees with me is basically as evil as Carl Benjamin. And do you know what he once said about me..."

[Lucas Ayde]

wc98 said:

what context ? have i to assume from his remark that while the politician in question isn't worth him raping others might be ? it was an utterly moronic thing to say. it isn't like phillips doesn't provide people with plenty of ammo to highlight her stupidity and hypocrisy on more than a few issues ffs.

Clue: He's not advocating rape - much in the same way as I'm sure you are not seriously inciting physical assault based on your earlier comments in this thread. Or are you?

[Lucas Ayde]

S1KRR said:

I agree.

By playing her and not the ball. Benjamin has given her a way of diverting from her words or actions.

She will now use the defence of "anyone that disagrees with me is basically as evil as Carl Benjamin. And do you know what he once said about me..."

It doesn't really make any difference. The PC crowd have learned that being the offended victim pays and aren't interested in apologies or debating anything.

What's happening is that increasingly people at large are cottoning on to the outrage culture and refusing to kow-tow to it. The aim of the latest storm of outrage in the media is to get UKIP to back down and drop him, not to secure any sort of apology. They may well succeed - UKIP have made the mistake of bending over to PC pressure in the past, they may well continue doing so.

[anonymous-user]

Lucas Ayde said:

Clue: He's not advocating rape - much in the same way as I'm sure you are not seriously inciting physical assault based on your earlier comments in this thread. Or are you?

He said "I wouldn't even rape you"

That clearly means he doesn't consider her worthy of rape.

[Randy Winkman]

desolate said:

Lucas Ayde said:

Clue: He's not advocating rape - much in the same way as I'm sure you are not seriously inciting physical assault based on your earlier comments in this thread. Or are you?

He said "I wouldn't even rape you"

That clearly means he doesn't consider her worthy of rape.

Does that mean there are people he would consider worthy of rape?

[anonymous-user]

Lucas Ayde said:

It doesn't really make any difference. The PC crowd have learned that being the offended victim pays and aren't interested in apologies or debating anything.

What's happening is that increasingly people at large are cottoning on to the outrage culture and refusing to kow-tow to it. The aim of the latest storm of outrage in the media is to get UKIP to back down and drop him, not to secure any sort of apology. They may well succeed - UKIP have made the mistake of bending over to PC pressure in the past, they may well continue doing so.

Surely if a politician of any party had made this comment there would be pressure on them and their party to consider their position ?

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

Does that mean there are people he would consider worthy of rape?

I'd say the use of the word "even" clearly indicates that.

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

Surely if a politician of any party had made this comment there would be pressure on them and their party to consider their position ?

You have to remember that for people like Lucas reversing PC is the most important thing a politician can do.

It's as if nothing else matters.

[PositronicRay]

desolate said:

Randy Winkman said:

Does that mean there are people he would consider worthy of rape?

I'd say the use of the word "even" clearly indicates that.

Whatever the context, whatever the real or implied reason, it was a pretty stupid and unpleasant comment. For his stupitldity alone, he should be disregarded as someone who's opinion has any influence.

[Labradorofperception]

The man is scum

There is nothing satirical about rape.

I bet he has never been woken and had to calm his partner because she is screaming hysterically, reliving the rape she suffered 10 years before.

No matter what Jess's politics, it is not about being PC, it basic human fking dignity.

Bearded fking

[anonymous-user]

I've just realised who this mammoth tool is.

L o fking L

[S1KRR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9DkK06zZ_o

Ones man funny...


Some of you will love Carrs gag at 5m48. Notice the women in the audience laughing?

[anonymous-user]

S1KRR said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9DkK06zZ_o

Ones man funny...


Some of you will love Carrs gag at 5m48. Notice the women in the audience laughing?

Christ only knows what your “man funny” is.

I hope one enjoys using it though.

As for the Jimmy joke that’s not exactly an appropriate comparison in terms of use, target or context.

[ClaphamGT3]

PositronicRay said:

Whatever the context, whatever the real or implied reason, it was a pretty stupid and unpleasant comment. For his stupitldity alone, he should be disregarded as someone who's opinion has any influence.

I completely agree with this; the lack of judgement is what condemns him

[EddieSteadyGo]

PositronicRay said:

desolate said:

Randy Winkman said:

Does that mean there are people he would consider worthy of rape?

I'd say the use of the word "even" clearly indicates that.

Whatever the context, whatever the real or implied reason, it was a pretty stupid and unpleasant comment. For his stupitldity alone, he should be disregarded as someone who's opinion has any influence.

The guy is a not-very-clever, pseudo-intellectual.

He recently was banned from Patreon after getting into an argument with white supremacists. Rather than exposing their views, he decided to use " irony" by getting into a slanging match, calling them "white s", amongst a few other things.

The guy should fade into obscurity as he has little to add to our political debate. Why on earth UKIP decided to include him on their MEP list is beyond me. Farage, who is far more astute, would never do something so obviously counter-productive.

[IanH755]

Countdown said:

If people told you "they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" would you take that as a compliment?

bhstewie said:

The answer is obvious, it's intended in the same way as "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire".

ETA: Beaten to it with the exact same example.

So then, here's two ways to look at this -

1. it's a weak argument, where you're conflating an expression with someone actually giving a factual statement where - "I wouldn't even rape you" is his factual statement, whilst "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" is a non-realistic insult.

So again, if he is factually stating that he wouldn't rape a woman, why is that a negative which needs an apology? Or alternatively,

2. lets look at from your side - Hes 100% said it as an insult in the same vein as "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" - so what, it's just an insult and insults are something adults manage to ignore everyday, and even the insult says he wouldn't rape her (for whatever reason he has), so it's still not a negative unless you think that he "should" want to rape her for some reason.

I really don't understand why this argument is the hill you've chosen to fight on, I mean if he had said he'd rape her thats completely different and it would be understandable to hate this moron, but thats not what he said and now he's getting a whole bunch of free press from people who want to make him apologise for saying he wouldn't rape someone. Do you even understand how mental you sound to "normal" people? Whats worse is that this guy is now getting mainstream coverage away from his YT channel solely because of this outrage culture which is giving him some power, so rather than being left as some weirdo on YT he's being platformed by the media who are feeding on that for views rather than ignoring this "insult" and removing any power it has.

Edited by IanH755 on Friday 19th April 23:16

[wc98]

Lucas Ayde said:

Clue: He's not advocating rape - much in the same way as I'm sure you are not seriously inciting physical assault based on your earlier comments in this thread. Or are you?

the comment implied he might rape, just not the politician in question. anyone that knows me knows if i think someone has said something out of order it must be pretty bad ,i don't subscribe to political correctness ,just treat and speak to others, even those i disagree with, the way i would like to be treated myself.

that might entail heated debate,but never in heated debate would i be thinking of using the phrase "i wouldn't even rape you" .

[hidetheelephants]

For the hard-of-thinking; implicit in the comment is that he thinks rape is perfectly alright. It's not alright, it's a criminal offence. Building on the unfunniness of the implicit rape normalisation is the bellend 'neg' nonsense of implying that she's sufficiently ugly that he finds her so repulsive he wouldn't rape her. It's two fkwitted misogynies in one crap joke.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hidetheelephants said:

For the hard-of-thinking; implicit in the comment is that he thinks rape is perfectly alright.

I think we are giving Benjamin far too much credit.

My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.

So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".

This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.

[bitchstewie]

IanH755 said:

So then, here's two ways to look at this -

1. it's a weak argument, where you're conflating an expression with someone actually giving a factual statement where - "I wouldn't even rape you" is his factual statement, whilst "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" is a non-realistic insult.

So again, if he is factually stating that he wouldn't rape a woman, why is that a negative which needs an apology? Or alternatively,

2. lets look at from your side - Hes 100% said it as an insult in the same vein as "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" - so what, it's just an insult and insults are something adults manage to ignore everyday, and even the insult says he wouldn't rape her (for whatever reason he has), so it's still not a negative unless you think that he "should" want to rape her for some reason.

I really don't understand why this argument is the hill you've chosen to fight on, I mean if he had said he'd rape her thats completely different and it would be understandable to hate this moron, but thats not what he said and now he's getting a whole bunch of free press from people who want to make him apologise for saying he wouldn't rape someone. Do you even understand how mental you sound to "normal" people? Whats worse is that this guy is now getting mainstream coverage away from his YT channel solely because of this outrage culture which is giving him some power, so rather than being left as some weirdo on YT he's being platformed by the media who are feeding on that for views rather than ignoring this "insult" and removing any power it has.

Edited by IanH755 on Friday 19th April 23:16

I'm not choosing to fight on any hill.

I simply think the bloke is an idiot and I struggle with why anyone would offer a shred of defence for him or suggest what he said is remotely acceptable.

It is possible to think those things without being part of an "outrage culture".

Happy enough for others to form their own conclusions on that one.