Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
"Both campaigns raised similar sums from individuals in the regulated period - £1.6m for Yes, £1.75m for No - but Better Together also raked in £711,000 from companies against Yes Scotland's £20,000."
Interesting to compare the level of company support. £711k vs 20k. That's 35x more support for No than Yes. Just shows what a sham front "Business for Soctland" was - ef all support from real business in real terms, compared to No.
Interesting to compare the level of company support. £711k vs 20k. That's 35x more support for No than Yes. Just shows what a sham front "Business for Soctland" was - ef all support from real business in real terms, compared to No.
Oh dear. This is depressing reading. This really all the SNP & Yestapo have achieved.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/miche...
The millionaire said she has chosen to quit Scotland and run her business from London because: "the SNP's Scotland is becoming a place consumed by hatred and ill will, a place where free speech is gradually being crushed and enterprise is despised."
The creator of the Ultimo underwear brand added: "It is no wonder, then, that I no longer wish to live in Scotland - and have moved away from the place I've called home for 43 years."
Discussing her move, Michelle also had some strong words for the 56 nationalist MPs elected to Westminster calling them "muppets".
It was a word she used to describe those who abused her on social media after she came out in favour of Scotland remaining within the United Kingdom before the independence referendum.
Michelle said: "I called them 'SNP muppets' and I still stand by it.
"The official definition in the dictionary of a 'muppet' is a 'person who is ignorant and generally has no idea about anything.'
"My 'muppets' reference also applies to the 56 new Nationalist MPs who have vowed to shake up the House of Commons in the 'interests of Scotland'.
"All they have done so far is whip up more animosity between two great nations who have stood together as strong neighbours for hundreds of years.
"I am extremely passionate about Scotland too, but, in my opinion these new MPs are acting more like school kids who suddenly find themselves at university.
"We should all be allowed to give our opinion, and that's a healthy way to be.
"But the SNP does not represent the whole of Scotland and our brothers and sisters in other parts of the UK need to remember that."
Michelle also hit out at the SNP's attitude to wealth, claiming they are unsupportive of people with money.
And she said she feared for Scotland's economy if the SNP did not change.
She said: "The SNP's attitude is if you've got money, that's unaccpetable.
"You should be struggling like everyone else."
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/miche...
The millionaire said she has chosen to quit Scotland and run her business from London because: "the SNP's Scotland is becoming a place consumed by hatred and ill will, a place where free speech is gradually being crushed and enterprise is despised."
The creator of the Ultimo underwear brand added: "It is no wonder, then, that I no longer wish to live in Scotland - and have moved away from the place I've called home for 43 years."
Discussing her move, Michelle also had some strong words for the 56 nationalist MPs elected to Westminster calling them "muppets".
It was a word she used to describe those who abused her on social media after she came out in favour of Scotland remaining within the United Kingdom before the independence referendum.
Michelle said: "I called them 'SNP muppets' and I still stand by it.
"The official definition in the dictionary of a 'muppet' is a 'person who is ignorant and generally has no idea about anything.'
"My 'muppets' reference also applies to the 56 new Nationalist MPs who have vowed to shake up the House of Commons in the 'interests of Scotland'.
"All they have done so far is whip up more animosity between two great nations who have stood together as strong neighbours for hundreds of years.
"I am extremely passionate about Scotland too, but, in my opinion these new MPs are acting more like school kids who suddenly find themselves at university.
"We should all be allowed to give our opinion, and that's a healthy way to be.
"But the SNP does not represent the whole of Scotland and our brothers and sisters in other parts of the UK need to remember that."
Michelle also hit out at the SNP's attitude to wealth, claiming they are unsupportive of people with money.
And she said she feared for Scotland's economy if the SNP did not change.
She said: "The SNP's attitude is if you've got money, that's unaccpetable.
"You should be struggling like everyone else."
Rollin said:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...
Didn't hear Sturgeon or Salmond carping on about the very obvious risk of a Yes vote resulting in Scotland needing to apply for EU membership. That application would have conditions attached that Scotland wouldn't have met. They lied about all that too (obviously
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This from the comments made me laugh heartily Didn't hear Sturgeon or Salmond carping on about the very obvious risk of a Yes vote resulting in Scotland needing to apply for EU membership. That application would have conditions attached that Scotland wouldn't have met. They lied about all that too (obviously
)Before the referendum , in my local pub, it was the same folk who supported the Nationalist nonsense that were equally vehement in their hatred of the EU; both sets of opinions ill-informed and badly thought out, so there was no point in debating with them. Some were at that stage even unable to believe that Salmond intended if he won to encourage immigration to boost the Scottish population, despite the fact being widely published.
Their wee heads will explode when the time comes and they have to choose between their two prejudices!
NoNeed said:
It appears the YES campaign wasn't as self financing as the SNP
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po... had claimed.
If the tw*ts, sorry, nats can't cope with running a campaign within budget, how could they cope with a country.http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po... had claimed.
It's a good job they aren't being given more financial powers, that's all I can say..............eh?.......oh dear.
Edited by Cobnapint on Sunday 31st May 20:03
Cobnapint said:
If the tw*ts, sorry, nats can't cope with running a campaign within budget, how could they cope with a country.
It's a good job they aren't being more financial powers, that's all I can say..............eh?.......oh dear.
More news:It's a good job they aren't being more financial powers, that's all I can say..............eh?.......oh dear.
The Deputy First Minister has declined to echo Tory leader Ruth Davidson's pledge not to raise income tax in Scotland higher than the rates and bands in the rest of the UK when new powers are devolved to Holyrood.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-po...
It will be interesting to see if the Nats put their (or everyone else's) money where their mouth is. They spent the whole election banging on about austerity, fairer societies etc. Well they'll soon have the power to top up benefits providing it's paid for by an increase in income tax. Looks like the ball is in their court.
Meanwhile panorama tonight at 8.30 has a piece on Stugeon - it's a bit weird tbh, devoting a whole programme to her and it will just allow her to play the victim card yet again claiming 'the establishment' are out to get the SNP etc etc.
Meanwhile panorama tonight at 8.30 has a piece on Stugeon - it's a bit weird tbh, devoting a whole programme to her and it will just allow her to play the victim card yet again claiming 'the establishment' are out to get the SNP etc etc.
bbc said:
She's been called 'The Most Dangerous Woman in Britain'. Nicola Sturgeon's party is riding high in Scotland, sending a tartan army of MPs to Westminster, but what will the SNP's electoral success mean for the rest of the UK? Panorama goes behind the scenes with Scotland's first minister to investigate the rise to power of the woman who holds the future of the union in her hands.
BlackLabel said:
Meanwhile panorama tonight at 8.30 has a piece on Stugeon - it's a bit weird tbh, devoting a whole programme to her and it will just allow her to play the victim card yet again claiming 'the establishment' are out to get the SNP etc etc.
I wonder if they will mention this little skeleton in her closet. I suspect not though as this story was public knowledge from the day it broke in Scotland, and this is what makes Nicola Sturgeon 'dangerous' - the fact that she and other members of her party have flown under the radar for so long getting away with behaviour that would have finished the careers of more high-profile politicians.The furore over Alistair Carmichael takes on a very acrid air when you consider that the current and previous leaders of the 'progressive' and righteous SNP are guilty of tax avoidance and actively supporting fraudsters.
The danger is that there is a core of the Scottish population that have been cajoled into believing being wrong is right if the cause is advanced.
Edited by r11co on Monday 1st June 20:17
r11co said:
The furore over Alistair Carmichael takes on a very acrid air when you consider that the current and previous leaders of the 'progressive' and righteous SNP are guilty of tax avoidance and actively supporting fraudsters.
I am no SNP supporter, or fan of Salmond but how can he or SNP be guilty of tax avoidance when that isn't a crime, tax avoidance is not only not against the law it is a sensible thing to do.Corpulent Tosser said:
I am no SNP supporter, or fan of Salmond but how can he or SNP be guilty of tax avoidance when that isn't a crime, tax avoidance is not only not against the law it is a sensible thing to do.
Not disagreeing, but this is the same party that got their MPs elected on the back of 'progressive' socialist policies in their manifesto (the ones that pledged to close loopholes on tax avoidance - page 5), and campaign posters that made great play of how 'wealthy' their closest Labour rivals were. It's the blatant hypocrisy that is the issue.Edited by r11co on Tuesday 2nd June 07:02
Corpulent Tosser said:
I am no SNP supporter, or fan of Salmond but how can he or SNP be guilty of tax avoidance when that isn't a crime, tax avoidance is not only not against the law it is a sensible thing to do.
I'll just stick with wasting £100k of tax payers money trying to stop a freedom of info request when he claimed he had legal advice that Scptland would join the EU instantly without any issue following Independance. All lies nothing ever existed.
How he wasn't sacked for such lies is beyond belief - it also says a lot about those who voted Yes.
I recall around the time it happened the ProYes lot on here kept batting it away in a jovial way --- odd how when lets be honest a similar ball park lie (though no wasting of tax payers money) and they want his head
Corpulent Tosser said:
r11co said:
The furore over Alistair Carmichael takes on a very acrid air when you consider that the current and previous leaders of the 'progressive' and righteous SNP are guilty of tax avoidance and actively supporting fraudsters.
I am no SNP supporter, or fan of Salmond but how can he or SNP be guilty of tax avoidance when that isn't a crime, tax avoidance is not only not against the law it is a sensible thing to do."No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores." James Avon Clyde, Lord Clyde, Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services and Ritchie v. IRC (1929)
AstonZagato said:
I agree. I hate the demonization of tax avoidance, not because I partake any more than the man on the street (pension contributions, tax free shopping, etc.) but because it is lazy politics. Tax avoidance is legal. It is tax evasion that is illegal. It's like criticising people for driving in bus lanes out of their hours of operation - it might annoy those of very little brain that others are getting somewhere faster than they are but it is neither immoral nor illegal. If you want to make it immoral and illegal, then change the law.
"No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores." James Avon Clyde, Lord Clyde, Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services and Ritchie v. IRC (1929)
A very good point "No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores." James Avon Clyde, Lord Clyde, Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services and Ritchie v. IRC (1929)
Welshbeef said:
AstonZagato said:
I agree. I hate the demonization of tax avoidance, not because I partake any more than the man on the street (pension contributions, tax free shopping, etc.) but because it is lazy politics. Tax avoidance is legal. It is tax evasion that is illegal. It's like criticising people for driving in bus lanes out of their hours of operation - it might annoy those of very little brain that others are getting somewhere faster than they are but it is neither immoral nor illegal. If you want to make it immoral and illegal, then change the law.
"No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores." James Avon Clyde, Lord Clyde, Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services and Ritchie v. IRC (1929)
A very good point "No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores." James Avon Clyde, Lord Clyde, Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services and Ritchie v. IRC (1929)
Welshbeef said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
I am no SNP supporter, or fan of Salmond but how can he or SNP be guilty of tax avoidance when that isn't a crime, tax avoidance is not only not against the law it is a sensible thing to do.
I'll just stick with wasting £100k of tax payers money trying to stop a freedom of info request when he claimed he had legal advice that Scptland would join the EU instantly without any issue following Independance. All lies nothing ever existed.
How he wasn't sacked for such lies is beyond belief - it also says a lot about those who voted Yes.
I recall around the time it happened the ProYes lot on here kept batting it away in a jovial way --- odd how when lets be honest a similar ball park lie (though no wasting of tax payers money) and they want his head
Also no hint of irony about a "similar ball park lie" then adding a lie yourself subsequently by stating "no wasting of tax payers money" (The inquiry into the leaked memo was reported to have costed the taxpayer £1.4m)
Strocky said:
I take it as a Tory voter, you typed that with a straight face?
Also no hint of irony about a "similar ball park lie" then adding a lie yourself subsequently by stating "no wasting of tax payers money" (The inquiry into the leaked memo was reported to have costed the taxpayer £1.4m)
Reported by who?Also no hint of irony about a "similar ball park lie" then adding a lie yourself subsequently by stating "no wasting of tax payers money" (The inquiry into the leaked memo was reported to have costed the taxpayer £1.4m)
The only reference I can find is that a Labour MP tweeted the figure and has since deleted it.
The total cost of the Leveson inquiry was £5.4 million so im calling bulls
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