Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

[technodup]

lostkiwi said:

technodup said:

Meanwhile who is actually managing Scotland?

Ask the same question of the UK....
At least Scotlands politics aren't in turmoil!

The difference being the UK just had a big referendum. Scotland has it's own affairs to deal with but the 'leadership' see it fit to ignore them and continue rabble rousing about things they can't have, and don't have any say over.

The photo of the Scottish 'cabinet' was telling the other day. Fishlips and Swinney at the end. Then that fat Hyslop woman who on vote night looked like she'd done one side of her hair and forgotten the other, the Constance one who doesn't know what day it is, Keith Brown who's in charge of the economy and work brief but afaik has never worked in the private sector...

Over promoted, over opinionated and over here. We're doomed.

[tenfour]

fluffnik said:

I'm far from the only person to value my EU citizenship more than my British citizenship, and it seems that, given the choice of one union or the other, most people in Scotland would choose the EU.

Tough st.

The majority voted NO to an independent Scotland (knowing that an EU referendum was possible). End of story.

Moot point anyway, as IndyRef2 won't happen for a very long time, if at all.

[tenfour]

confused_buyer said:

Sturgeon: "Hi, can we join the EU?"
EU: "Sure, let's get a form. Firstly, what's your budget surplus?"
Sturgeon: "Well, it is a small deficit of 8%"
EU: "Oh. That's higher than Greece. Still, how much is it in money terms?"
Surgeon: "Well, that's difficult to say."
EU: "Well, what is it in your currency?".
Sturgeon: "Well, we haven't got one of those yet but it's not a problem."
EU: "Oh, OK, what does your central bank think it is?"
Sturgeon: "Umm, we haven't got one of those yet either but someone told me you can get them on ebay."
EU: "Oh. Look, hang on a minute, I don't think this is the right form. I think we've got one somewhere we use for Kosovo"

[Sylvaforever]

Right.

Now is the time that the First Minister needs to show leadership and stewardship to drag Scotlands economy UP, gain more jobs [that actually pay enough to get people OFF benefits] get homeless OFF the streets and into REHABILITATION, and have a population that does NOT have to rely on FOODBANKS.

Instead we get tweeks sniping at Boris Johnston. And an airifle ban, blanket average speed cameras and a police force who would retire yesterday if they had the chance.


GET A fkING GRIP MADAM!!

[Leithen]

The big irony in all this is that a weaker pound helps Scotland. Exports become cheaper and more competitive and inward tourism becomes more attractive.

[fluffnik]

Nick Grant said:

fluffnik said:

There is more support for ongoing EU membership (62%) than the continuance of the UK (55%) in Scotland.

62% or 1,661,191

versus

55% or 2,001,926

Damn lies and statistics.

EU citizens were, unjustly, denied a vote this time, as were 16 and 17 year olds, so it was a smaller electorate...

Comparatively few people are enthusiastically British in Scotland and British citizenship has many fewer USPs than EU citizenship, so it's not surprising that given the choice of which to keep the EU option is winning out in Scotland, the only part of the UK with a post-Brexit plan.

...and there's no need to worry, you'll qualify for Scottish/EU citizenship.

[Sylvaforever]

EU citizens were, unjustly, denied a vote

How do you work that one out then, they are not citizens of this country for a REASON [or three].

[fluffnik]

Ecosseven said:

I thought the EU had already made it clear that Scotland would have to apply for membership as a new state post independence?

That was then, this is now...

People close to Chancellor Merkel are even suggesting that Scotland could be treated as a continuing member, there's even a (quasi)precedent in the case of Denmark.

Interesting times.

[confused_buyer]

To echo above, Scotland faces the same challenges and uncertainties as the rest of the UK at the moment which will have a bad effect on investment and the economy.

What Scotland does not need is another set of uncertainties piled on top of this with the dangle of another referendum.

The right thing to do is sit tight, keep calm and see how it plays out. If the UK gets a deal with the EU that Scotland cannot live with then maybe, maybe then is the time to consider another referendum maybe with the policy that an independent Scotland will join the EU.

The sensible thing is to see what the deal is and then decide whether it is good or bad for Scotland.

Sturgeon is not showing any leadership. She is making political mischief and heaping an extra load of uncertainty on Scotland to go with the current.

[confused_buyer]

fluffnik said:

That was then, this is now...

People close to Chancellor Merkel are even suggesting that Scotland could be treated as a continuing member, there's even a (quasi)precedent in the case of Denmark.

Interesting times.

Even so that doesn't answer any of the fundamental questions which still haven't been answered from last time out.

Then we get a whole lot more. Which is more damaging to Scotland? Leaving the EU or a "hard" border with the UK? Who knows.

Scotland would be stark, staring, bonkers to do anything at all until it knows what the deal between the UK and the EU is.

[Nick Grant]

confused_buyer said:

To echo above, Scotland faces the same challenges and uncertainties as the rest of the UK at the moment which will have a bad effect on investment and the economy.

What Scotland does not need is another set of uncertainties piled on top of this with the dangle of another referendum.

The right thing to do is sit tight, keep calm and see how it plays out. If the UK gets a deal with the EU that Scotland cannot live with then maybe, maybe then is the time to consider another referendum maybe with the policy that an independent Scotland will join the EU.

The sensible thing is to see what the deal is and then decide whether it is good or bad for Scotland.

Sturgeon is not showing any leadership. She is making political mischief and heaping an extra load of uncertainty on Scotland to go with the current.

My thoughts exactly.

[Leithen]

fluffnik said:

People close to Chancellor Merkel are even suggesting that Scotland could be treated as a continuing member, there's even a (quasi)precedent in the case of Denmark.

Manfred Weber said:

“On the Scottish level: to go the other way, it is up to them. Europe is open to new member states, that is totally clear. Those who want to stay are welcome in the European Union.”

He's being quite clear, Scotland would have to join as a new member, with all that goes with that, which is of course the only way the other 27 states would begin to agree with it, and that's presuming Spain etc don't have big issues...

[Nick Grant]

fluffnik said:

...and there's no need to worry, you'll qualify for Scottish/EU citizenship.

How generous, thanks

On a slightly different note, we have learned from this referendum that the people of Scotland and the people of London are more aligned in their thinking than most people in Scotland would have believed. Likewise with Westminster and Hollyrood. I hope we can put this knowledge to use going forward.

[andy_s]

fluffnik said:

That was then, this is now...

People close to Chancellor Merkel are even suggesting that Scotland could be treated as a continuing member, there's even a (quasi)precedent in the case of Denmark.

Interesting times.

Sturgeon asked yesterday and was told to fk off by the EU itself, they have to apply like everyone else.

[s2kjock]

fluffnik said:

I'm far from the only person to value my EU citizenship more than my British citizenship, and it seems that, given the choice of one union or the other, most people in Scotland would choose the EU.

Do you really think the majority of people in Scotland would prefer to be a nation of 5m people dominated by a mixed bag of 150m + people with whom they currently share no culture, no currency, do relatively low levels of direct trade with, are several hundred miles away from, and don't even speak the same language when the alternative is to be a nation of 5m dominated by a nation of 50m who are our main trading partner, with whom we share almost all of our culture, our currency, is literally next door to us, and speaks the same language?

[Einion Yrth]

s2kjock said:

and speaks the same language?

Well, almost.

[V8LM]

As independence for Scotland would affect the 'constitution' of the UK and how the rest of the UK operates, IndyRef2 (should it ever happen) should be a question to the whole of the UK, not just those in Scotland.

[AC43]

Nick Grant said:

On a slightly different note, we have learned from this referendum that the people of Scotland and the people of London are more aligned in their thinking than most people in Scotland would have believed. Likewise with Westminster and Hollyrood. I hope we can put this knowledge to use going forward.

Agree. It's just a shame that f*ckwits in between have torpedoed any chance of that.......

[Axionknight]

andy_s said:

Sturgeon asked yesterday and was told to fk off by the EU itself, they have to apply like everyone else.

The fingers are firmly in the ears and "LA LA LA LA LA" is being chanted repeatedly, you are wasting your time.

[Sylvaforever]

Axionknight said:

andy_s said:

Sturgeon asked yesterday and was told to fk off by the EU itself, they have to apply like everyone else.

The fingers are firmly in the ears and "LA LA LA LA LA" is being chanted repeatedly, you are wasting your time.

THE sturgeon car crash interview,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVynXGj4eyA

the bobbing and side to side head movements give the game away, she knows that she isn't being straight and her body language gives her guilt away..