Irish vote of gay marriage
Discussion
Cold said:
Feel free to point out where I said "if you don't like it don't have one" .
What has happened with this vote is now those who want a termination in their home country will now no longer be criminalised for it. Those who don't wish to have a termination in their own country will not be affected.
Not yet.What has happened with this vote is now those who want a termination in their home country will now no longer be criminalised for it. Those who don't wish to have a termination in their own country will not be affected.
All that happens now is that the Constitution is changed to ALLOW the actual law to be changed later. It will be months I expect before the actual legislation is put in place.
Eric Mc said:
The Mad Monk said:
68% for
32% against
The ayes have it.
Those aren't the results. Those are exit polls figures.32% against
The ayes have it.
I'm sure the result will be something similar though.
The reports I've seen, suggest a strong rural-urban divide on the issue.
4x4Tyke said:
I wonder which way the shy voters, those who decline to answer in polls. will go.
The reports I've seen, suggest a strong rural-urban divide on the issue.
As would be expected. Ireland is very much split between rural and city. And, in reality, only one city really counts population wise, Dublin (sorry Cork and Galway). The overall population of Ireland is almost a 50/50 split between Dublin and its environs and everywhere else. The reports I've seen, suggest a strong rural-urban divide on the issue.
Even before the "advent" of modern Ireland, the trend in Dublin was always more "progressive" than in rural areas.
What has actually happened is that the rural areas have changed over the past three decades and become less conservative than they once were.
Eric Mc said:
As would be expected. Ireland is very much split between rural and city. And, in reality, only one city really counts population wise, Dublin (sorry Cork and Galway). The overall population of Ireland is almost a 50/50 split between Dublin and its environs and everywhere else.
Even before the "advent" of modern Ireland, the trend in Dublin was always more "progressive" than in rural areas.
What has actually happened is that the rural areas have changed over the past three decades and become less conservative than they once were.
Yes, I get that. I'm suggesting perhaps, the rural shy might vote yes and be shy because of the conservative environ; while the urban shy might vote no, likewise. I also expect an strong young old divide. It will be interesting to see a break down.Even before the "advent" of modern Ireland, the trend in Dublin was always more "progressive" than in rural areas.
What has actually happened is that the rural areas have changed over the past three decades and become less conservative than they once were.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Saturday 26th May 10:18
All very obvious. The demographic and national mood has been shifting towards a more progressive country over almost 4 decades. For anyone who wanted an end to the over-conservative Ireland that has existed since the mid 19th Century - all that was required was lots of patience.
What people don't appreciate was that the change to the abortion law in 1983 was actually an improvement over the previous legislation. The legislation introduced in 1983 was the first time the law in Ireland recognised that the mother had any right to life over the unborn child AT ALL. It was far from satisfactory and put doctors and medical staff in an impossible situation on many occasions.
Obviously, three plus decades have since passed and feelings have evolved in that time period. It was always going to happen - it just needed time.
What people don't appreciate was that the change to the abortion law in 1983 was actually an improvement over the previous legislation. The legislation introduced in 1983 was the first time the law in Ireland recognised that the mother had any right to life over the unborn child AT ALL. It was far from satisfactory and put doctors and medical staff in an impossible situation on many occasions.
Obviously, three plus decades have since passed and feelings have evolved in that time period. It was always going to happen - it just needed time.
Eric Mc said:
Cold said:
Feel free to point out where I said "if you don't like it don't have one" .
What has happened with this vote is now those who want a termination in their home country will now no longer be criminalised for it. Those who don't wish to have a termination in their own country will not be affected.
Not yet.What has happened with this vote is now those who want a termination in their home country will now no longer be criminalised for it. Those who don't wish to have a termination in their own country will not be affected.
All that happens now is that the Constitution is changed to ALLOW the actual law to be changed later. It will be months I expect before the actual legislation is put in place.
I appreciate that things will still be difficult for some women in the mean time but these things don't happen overnight.
FN2TypeR said:
The Irish Taoiseach says that he is hoping to have the legislation in place by years end, that's not a bad timescale all things considered.
I appreciate that things will still be difficult for some women in the mean time but these things don't happen overnight.
I would assume that the basic provisions of any new legislation will already exist in draft form. Like UK legislation, the draft bill needs to go through "Commons" debate and then "Lords" revision - possibly committee review and then final enactment. I appreciate that things will still be difficult for some women in the mean time but these things don't happen overnight.
The Irish system is based on the British system although their "Commons" is called the Dáil and their "Lords" is called the Seanad.
Gandahar said:
Hurragh
Finally Alan Partridge will not complain about badly laid tarmac driveways for less than £500.
I have no idea what that has got to do with any of this.Finally Alan Partridge will not complain about badly laid tarmac driveways for less than £500.
This is, yet another, momentous day for Ireland. The country is fully putting the dominance of the Catholic Church behind it.
The pressure will now be on Northern Ireland to catch up.
Gandahar said:
Now that Ireland has suddenly discovered the 21st Century you do wonder if America will discover it too and perhaps stop selling guns to every halfwit in the country?
Part of Ireland has.Ironically the bit still stuck in the Dark Ages is currently the U.K. government to ransom.
Eric Mc said:
I have no idea what that has got to do with any of this.
This is, yet another, momentous day for Ireland. The country is fully putting the dominance of the Catholic Church behind it.
The pressure will now be on Northern Ireland to catch up.
It is great news.This is, yet another, momentous day for Ireland. The country is fully putting the dominance of the Catholic Church behind it.
The pressure will now be on Northern Ireland to catch up.
I'm so pleased for the people (women) of Ireland.
You do get the impression that they would, these days, vote against anything that the RC church stand for.
The North seems an odd place in some senses. The Presbyterian nut jobs on here give an indication of what they are up against.
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